Something strange happened last night...

[CadaverDawg]

Yes, we expected to beat LsU, and we were favored, but it's not like LSU hasn't crushed our souls a zillion times. So what was it....why is there a different feel last night and this morning after losing to them in Death Valley? I have never received so many texts and seen so many posts from my MSU buddies saying "I'm done this time". Even the most optimistic kool aid drinkers that always think we're going 11-1 are saying they can't put themselves through it anymore.

What made last night the turning point for so many? I really do think last night caused a mass exodus off the Leach train, and may kill attendance the rest of the year as well. But why? Because we were favored? Because we should have won? Because this was supposed to be the big year? All the veterans? What is it? I never got on the Leach train and yet I'm still more pissed than normal too, and I just want to know what makes this loss in Baton Rouge such a dagger compared to years past where seasons went there to die.

Thoughts?

[msstate7]

This season was our shot. Losing to a guy that our whole fanbase has spent the whole offseason saying was gonna be a disaster has to be sobering.

[Pinto]

It?s because we didn?t win a game the other team was trying to lose to us.
For 3 quarters LSU was trying to lose that game and then we gave them life and the old LSU came back and throat stomped us.
It?s one thing to lose a game, it?s another to lose a game that was yours for the taking.

[Schultzy]

It?s because we didn?t win a game the other team was trying to lose to us.
For 3 quarters LSU was trying to lose that game and then we gave them life and the old LSU came back and throat stomped us.
It?s one thing to lose a game, it?s another to lose a game that was yours for the taking.

This^^

But I expected a 6 win season going in so I’m not as crushed as some of you seem to be.

[Homedawg]

This^^

But I expected a 6 win season going in so I’m not as crushed as some of you seem to be.

The people thinking we were winning 10 had maroon glasses on. That was never ever in play.

[Cowbell]

The people thinking we were winning 10 had maroon glasses on. That was never ever in play.

It's fact

[BulldogBear]

I think a whole lot of people have convinced themselves that LSU is a train wreck. When it boils down to it, LSU will always have a ton of athletes - especially at WR, DB and DE - and athletes well coached (and for all his faults, Brian Kelly has proven over time that he is a good coach) can take over games and win. And frankly, we don't have the athletes that LSU does. We have some good ones - but not in the volume of LSU. Everyone saw last night why we needed Nabors. Everyone saw last night how a guy like BJ Ojulari can take over a game.

LSU isn't a 12 win team - but they aren't a 6-6 team either.

It seems that more often than not LSU is good 2+ 4th qtr TDs no matter what the score and situation may be. And their WRs always switch on video game mode late in the game no matter if they've been great or terrible all game. We saw that yet again. We, that is MSU, often have to dominate LSU to so much as barely beat them. 2017 was an awesome exception.

It's fact

Cowbell's comment wa in relation to maroon glasses, which I was definitely weaing.

I know Airbone is designed to try to mitigate talent gap somewhat by forcing the elites to have fewer D-lineman.

After a somewhat naive hiatus, I'm back to my original thinking.

Barring 2-3 SEC programs per season (Will often Bama plus 1-2 of LSU, UGA, FLA) that can afford to just have a QB stand behind a stone wall OL and play old school style, anyone else must have a credible running threat at QB to have any hope of being truly competitive and seek 9-10 wins.

In other words, you may appear to have an offense without one, but it's an illusion against the lesser competition. Without a running QB, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OFFENSE. It's a 10 vs 11 situation without one. Oh, you might can step up and win 8 games with a Tyler Russel or Wilt Rogers, but you aren't actually competing.

[NCDawg]

It?s because we didn?t win a game the other team was trying to lose to us.
For 3 quarters LSU was trying to lose that game and then we gave them life and the old LSU came back and throat stomped us.
It?s one thing to lose a game, it?s another to lose a game that was yours for the taking.

I think after 3 quarters when it got dark and the crowd was inebriated and got really loud, we got nervous and lost focus. LSU got fired up and our W/Rs dropped some easy passses that could have turned the game in our favor.

[TrapGame]

I think after 3 quarters when it got dark and the crowd was inebriated and got really loud, we got nervous and lost focus. LSU got fired up and our W/Rs dropped some easy passses that could have turned the game in our favor.

Rara dropped a touchdown pass b/c he knew he had it and didn't secure the ball before turning up field. Stupid mistake that could have made it 23-7.

[Activated Alpha]

I think most of us are tired of losing to LSU and feeling like we always have our nuts shrivel up when we play the coonasses. Not sure why that is, but it's our reality. We are the better team and LSU is horrible this year. If they had even a remotely accurate QB the score would have been much much worse. To me this is the same feeling I had when I watched Croom coach us into oblivion for several years and why I became apathetic. That apathy is starting to set in again....

[basedog]

I'm like you CD, I never bought in with the Air Raid, I don't dislike Leach, I just don't think he will win big like so many who drank the kool aid. I do think all the hype about a "veteran team" and winning 8-10 games in pre-season and now with this Lsu loss has most wondering and questioning.

As much as I like Will Rogers, I'm now wanting to see Sawyer get a chance, I just think with our O-Line not being very good, we need someone who can roll out and throw better on the run.

Not sure we see many changes, it's not the Pirates way, obviously we didn't adjust the second half at all. Dang being up 13-0 then betting blown out 31-3 hurts!!!

[CadaverDawg]

I'm like you CD, I never bought in with the Air Raid, I don't dislike Leach, I just don't think he will win big like so many who drank the kool aid. I do think all the hype about a "veteran team" and winning 8-10 games in pre-season and now with this Lsu loss has most wondering and questioning.

As much as I like Will Rogers, I'm now wanting to see Sawyer get a chance, I just think with our O-Line not being very good, we need someone who can roll out and throw better on the run.

Not sure we see many changes, it's not the Pirates way, obviously we didn't adjust the second half at all. Dang being up 13-0 then betting blown out 31-3 hurts!!!

My thoughts exactly. And yes Give me a look at Sawyer. Will went into a shell last night and became Mr Checkdown. You don't beat the big boys by being scared. Gotta let her rip, and let the chips fall where they may

[PikeDawg15]

Because we lost to a bad LSU team that is most likely going 7-5. We outplayed them in the first half

LSU did nothing special on offense , they played offense like a 13 year old would play madden , scramble with a running quarterback for 10 yards a play.

Daniels was their leading rusher??.

We just lost to a below average team when we had a 13 point lead with 1 minute left in the 2nd quarter and all the momentum ??

I?m not off the leach train just yet but will Rogers played like a low 3 star from Brandon high school. Which he is.

When are we as a program and fan base going to stop letting guys whose offer list looks like

Mississippi state
Memphis
Southern miss
Tulane
Louisiana tech


Be our starters?.. we are an sec team , we shouldn?t accept this.

[Quaoarsking]

I think a lot of our fans convinced ourselves that this would be a special season, and now it's probably not going to be. It could still be an 8-4 type year, but we're not going 10-2 or anything like that anymore.

We just really, really wanted that win, thought we were going to get it, and thought it would be especially sweet to get it on the road at LSU. And what sucks on top of that is that to most LSU fans, we just another name on the schedule that they usually beat and assumed they would again. I don't think many of them were aware of the importance and expectations we were putting on the game. It was just another game for them with the expected outcome. I was at the game and did not get heckled once, because it was just a go-through-the-motions game for their fans, and it sucks so much that they were right.

We'll get over it though. This will dissipate, and we'll see this is nowhere near the level of disappointment as Florida 2018. Or Alabama 2014. Or those Egg Bowls (2015, 2017) that Mullen lost at home that cost us NY6 bids. Or losing the Egg Bowl while ranked #4 in the CFP rankings. Or the 3-2 game. Or losing to Louisiana Tech in 2008 and realizing that Croom's 2007 run was a fluke. Etc. Etc.

[WSOPdawg]

I think a lot of our fans convinced ourselves that this would be a special season, and now it's probably not going to be. It could still be an 8-4 type year, but we're not going 10-2 or anything like that anymore.

And I think that's also part of the apathy the fan base is starting to exhibit. 8 wins gets you what -- another trip to the Belk or Music City Bowl? We've been there, done that for 12 years straight. We crave "more" and for the first time in a long time, the national sports media was on our side against LSU and we crapped the bed on what could've been a push for a Jan 1 bowl.

We are so Mississippi State... *** sigh ***

[BrunswickDawg]

I think a whole lot of people have convinced themselves that LSU is a train wreck. When it boils down to it, LSU will always have a ton of athletes - especially at WR, DB and DE - and athletes well coached (and for all his faults, Brian Kelly has proven over time that he is a good coach) can take over games and win. And frankly, we don't have the athletes that LSU does. We have some good ones - but not in the volume of LSU. Everyone saw last night why we needed Nabors. Everyone saw last night how a guy like BJ Ojulari can take over a game.

LSU isn't a 12 win team - but they aren't a 6-6 team either.

[Cowbell]

My thoughts exactly. And yes Give me a look at Sawyer. Will went into a shell last night and became Mr Checkdown. You don't beat the big boys by being scared. Gotta let her rip, and let the chips fall where they may

I agree with this as well. I love Will. But if sawyer knows the offense, you gotta see what he can do. Maybe he's over-hyped and will gets a fire lit under him to move around more. I see it like bringing tua in for that championship game.

[msstate7]

Is Sawyer even close to will? I know last year, word was Sawyer was horribly behind

[redstickdawg]

Is Sawyer even close to will? I know last year, word was Sawyer was horribly behind

If that's the case that should be a wake up call about leach, he doesn't recruit nor develop, not a good combination and becoming more evident with every embarrassment. Sawyer needs to be our starter at least if shows that he has guts and doesn't play scared. The team fed off of the quitters / scared attitude that was displayed from the fumbled punt to the qb that was playing afraid.

[IMissJack]

The problem is we have been told year 3 is the year for 3 years. I am now from MO, show me. And I will say again, our entire athletic dept. need a good sports psychologist to help approaching big situations. Usually we melt in those moments.