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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    It's so funny. Bounds is making jokes about how State never made big plays in the past. However he discusses if State will make big plays this year. He called M Polk a possession receiver.

    THIS IS NOT A BIG PLAY OFFENSE. It is a dink and dunk possession offense. So your wr will Always be what M Polk was. Only way you get a big yardage play, is if a WR breaks tackles and out runs people.
    Yea the air raid has never produced any big plays

    Great research

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    It's so funny. Bounds is making jokes about how State never made big plays in the past. However he discusses if State will make big plays this year. He called M Polk a possession receiver.

    THIS IS NOT A BIG PLAY OFFENSE. It is a dink and dunk possession offense. So your wr will Always be what M Polk was. Only way you get a big yardage play, is if a WR breaks tackles and out runs people.
    You could have stopped at "Bo Bounds is a douche"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    It's so funny. Bounds is making jokes about how State never made big plays in the past. However he discusses if State will make big plays this year. He called M Polk a possession receiver.

    THIS IS NOT A BIG PLAY OFFENSE. It is a dink and dunk possession offense. So your wr will Always be what M Polk was. Only way you get a big yardage play, is if a WR breaks tackles and out runs people.
    I don't think there's enough evidence to claim that definitively. It may have effectively been such in his time here so far under the circumstances, but in eight years at WSU, his teams ranked in the top 25 for plays of 20+ yards three times, and only missed the top half twice.

    http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/leader/...30/sort02.html

    You can say what you want about their defensive competition, but that's still a lot of big plays for a "dink and dunk" offense who was usually the less talented team on the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate View Post
    Yea the air raid has never produced any big plays

    Great research
    In 2018, in Leachs best year at WSU, Mississippi State had more plays for 20+ Yards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thf24 View Post
    I don't think there's enough evidence to claim that definitively. It may have effectively been such in his time here so far under the circumstances, but in eight years at WSU, his teams ranked in the top 25 for plays of 20+ yards three times, and only missed the top half twice.

    http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/leader/...30/sort02.html

    You can say what you want about their defensive competition, but that's still a lot of big plays for a "dink and dunk" offense who was usually the less talented team on the field.
    Agree, good post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    In 2018, in Leachs best year at WSU, Mississippi State had more plays for 20+ Yards.
    Ridiculous. Just look it up. Majority of Leachs years at tech the offense avg around 500 yards per game and top ten in ppg. Leachs last year at WSU they were 11th nationally in ppg and avg 500 yards of offense a game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RezDog7 View Post
    You could have stopped at "Bo Bounds is a douche"
    Bo Bounds is proof that you don't have to be smart to have a sports talk radio show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate View Post
    Ridiculous. Just look it up. Majority of Leachs years at tech the offense avg around 500 yards per game and top ten in ppg. Leachs last year at WSU they were 11th nationally in ppg and avg 500 yards of offense a game.
    "Goal post moved". Yes. This offense puts up a lot of yards. And if you are good enough to finish in the red zone, points too. But this offense moves the ball by throwing underneath 50 times a game.

    Therefore the point is, this offense doesn't have big yardage plays because of the scheme, not necessarily the wr talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    In 2018, in Leachs best year at WSU, Mississippi State had more plays for 20+ Yards.
    With a skittish QB and below average WR's
    Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate View Post
    Ridiculous. Just look it up. Majority of Leachs years at tech the offense avg around 500 yards per game and top ten in ppg. Leachs last year at WSU they were 11th nationally in ppg and avg 500 yards of offense a game.
    Where were they in Scoring? Yards never win games
    Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrapGame View Post
    COVID RESPONSE screwed all of that up.
    FTFY

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate View Post
    Ridiculous. Just look it up. Majority of Leachs years at tech the offense avg around 500 yards per game and top ten in ppg. Leachs last year at WSU they were 11th nationally in ppg and avg 500 yards of offense a game.
    Uh, big plays and total offense and ppg are totally different catagories - apples and oranges. His O is a dink and dunk O. Our two RB had what like 160 catches last year? That is dink and dunk.

    Some may take that as an insult but not necessarily. if it produces points, who cares. His O is what it is.

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    20+ yard plays doesn't translate into 20+ yard passes. Most of the long plays are created by yards after catch and that reflects the type of receivers we recruit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R2Dawg View Post
    Uh, big plays and total offense and ppg are totally different catagories - apples and oranges. His O is a dink and dunk O. Our two RB had what like 160 catches last year? That is dink and dunk.

    Some may take that as an insult but not necessarily. if it produces points, who cares. His O is what it is.
    I agree. It is a dink and dunk with the possibility of hitting a big play if you catch the defense out of position. But, those dink and dunk elements puts a strain on most defenses. UK/AU/NC State defenses were sucking wind in the 4th quarter last season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basedog View Post
    The Air Raid isn't built for the short yardage needed say 3rd and 4th down. It can be argued his Air Raid in the Red Zone playing in the Big 12 and Pac 12 was good (I have no idea). But the defenses in the Sec can be brutal to say the least. Good Coaches adjust and put wrinkles in, haven't seen this in the Air Raid. But I'm hopefully because many say we have the talent to win 9 games on ED anyway.
    I don't dislike the Pirate, I just wish we would run the ball a little more and use a damn TE and fullback some!
    People have said the same things about this offense not working against defensive players at every stop he's made - Valdosta, Kentucky, Oklahoma, TT, WSU, and now MSU. What seems more insane - running it up the gut against a Bama defense, or making those defensive guys defend every inch of the field sideline to sideline on every play?

    Mullen's offense didn't do shit against Bama for 12 years. At least with Leach we aren't losing anything there, and we've already knocked off like 6 ranked opponents in two years (ranked at the time we played them anyway). If he can get the Memphis-type games out of his system we'll be just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Where were they in Scoring? Yards never win games
    Ppg = points per game

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrapGame View Post
    I agree. It is a dink and dunk with the possibility of hitting a big play if you catch the defense out of position. But, those dink and dunk elements puts a strain on most defenses. UK/AU/NC State defenses were sucking wind in the 4th quarter last season.
    I would say it's not dink and dunk; it's take what the defense gives. Most defenses have decided the way to beat it is to give up the underneath routes and force the offense to make lots of completions. But if a team decides to get aggressive and blitz and man up, it will flip and be a big play offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    I would say it's not dink and dunk; it's take what the defense gives. Most defenses have decided the way to beat it is to give up the underneath routes and force the offense to make lots of completions. But if a team decides to get aggressive and blitz and man up, it will flip and be a big play offense.
    The dink and dunk aspect of the system is exactly b/c of what defenses give you. Then DCs get antsy and dial up pressure or go man. Will has the short game down pat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    I would say it's not dink and dunk; it's take what the defense gives. Most defenses have decided the way to beat it is to give up the underneath routes and force the offense to make lots of completions..
    Now that is a fair and good argument, Counselor.

    But back to practice reports.....

    It looked like Texas Tech took away the swing pass to the RB and zoned. Plus rushed a 4th guy on 3rd down, into the middle of the line and got home more than a few times. Hopefully we have worked on a counter to that defensive strategy the summer/camp.

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    Bottom line, it's a dink and dunk offense, it always has been and always will be. That isn't a bad thing if it can finish in the red zone and win games. The jury is still VERY much out here on that. It's an EXTREMELY boring offense to watch, to me anyway. It's like paint drying, except worse.

    More bottom line, he almost HAS to beat Ole Miss this year, and his track record with rivals is just terrible. Losing three straight times to them to open your account at MSU is not really survivable. He might hang on another year or so after it, but it will look and feel like the end of the Sherrill era or the JOMO era.

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