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Anyone got a 21 to 22 stat comparison of hitting with runners in scoring position. Interested, thanks.
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Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
Yeah they were all great who am I kidding its not like we lost multiple games bc we couldnt score with a runner on 3rd and 1 out. If yall think those players were as good as they were a year ago then I cant help you. I havent blamed the pitching never have. But none of those guys were ready to be the guy. Thus you get what we got a year ago. Stats or no stats
We blew 12 games when we had the lead in the 7th inning or later. That's pitching. When you have the lead you have to close that's the way baseball works and our average with risp was almost identical to year before.
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
We blew 12 games when we had the lead in the 7th inning or later. That's pitching. When you have the lead you have to close that's the way baseball works and our average with risp was almost identical to year before.
I guess our risp stuck out like a sore thumb because with our bullpen, we knew no late inning lead was safe. I went to a lot of games and from the 7th on felt like the movie, "Groundhog Day".
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Obviously adding Skenes bumps us up another tier, but even if we don't add him, we should be better on the mound next year based solely on having more options.
RHP: Cade Smith, Landon Gartman, Nate Dohm, Aaron Nixon, Colby Holcombe, Loo Cijinte (BHP), Logan Forsythe, Will Gibbs, possibly KC Hunt, possibly Brandon Smith, possibly Parker Stinnett
LHP: Pico Kohn, Cole Cheatham, Bradley Loftin, Loo Cijinte (BHP), Brock Tapper, Tyler Davis (VCU transfer on campus right now), Max Miller, Graham Yntema
There's not a lot of experience in that group, but it beats having about 6 arms to depend on like we had this past year.
Need all the "possibly's" to come back, add Skenes, the VCU transfer, and another lefty for me to feel confident though.
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Originally Posted by
viverlibre
I can't remember our player last year that Tim Corbin raved about, saying something like, "you can't get him out."
Hancock.
"The at bat doesn't even start against that guy until he has two strikes"
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Originally Posted by
confucius say
Hancock.
"The at bat doesn't even start against that guy until he has two strikes"
Although I watch all the games, attend several and even the CWS, I'm not knowledgeable about baseball, was he not as good this year?
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Originally Posted by
viverlibre
Although I watch all the games, attend several and even the CWS, I'm not knowledgeable about baseball, was he not as good this year?
Yes. His average, on base percentage, and slugging he were all higher this year than 2021.
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Originally Posted by
Goldendawg
I guess our risp stuck out like a sore thumb because with our bullpen, we knew no late inning lead was safe. I went to a lot of games and from the 7th on felt like the movie, "Groundhog Day".
Yep you nailed it. 2021 and 2022 our risp was almost identical we were slightly worse in 2022 with runners on third and less than 2 outs getting the run in. Just think even if we go 8-4 in those 12 games we blew the lead(67% close), we wind up 34-22 and we're in the post season and 67% is reasonable. We had 1 whole save in sec play! The bullpen cost us and that's because of the injuries and the need to move PJ and Brandon out of the pen to the rotation. That's not even counting losing arguably the best pitcher in the country.
Last edited by Commercecomet24; 07-23-2022 at 07:03 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Commercecomet24
Yep you nailed it. 2021 and 2022 our risp was almost identical we were slightly worse in 2022 with runners on third and less than 2 outs getting the run in. Just think even if we go 8-4 in those 12 games we blew the lead(75% close), we wind up 34-22 and we're in the post season and 75% is reasonable. We had 1 whole save in sec play! The bullpen cost us and that's because of the injuries and the need to move PJ and Brandon out of the pen to the rotation. That's not even counting losing arguably the best pitcher in the country.
Yep. Yep. Yep.
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Right now we are in a tricky spot. Obviously I think we are happy with what we?ve brought in from the portal, but there are still a couple of BIG holes. We need another front line starter, hope with Skenes seems to be fading a bit and Watts-Brown did not really reciprocate any return interest. The other is another corner outfielder. Losing Knight hurt, and I do not really know what happened with Groff but it seems that either he has moved off us or we moved off him. If we continue to strike out at that position we may have to roll with Bryce Chance. And while he is a great bat, he does not have the best arm to be playing in the outfield.
The staff has worked their ass off this summer, but we need to close this last month and go from a team who should be in a regional to a team that is hosting a regional. We built that stadium for June, not April.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
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The staff has worked their ass off this summer, but we need to close this last month and go from a team who should be in a regional to a team that is hosting a regional. We built that stadium for June, not April.
One of the best statements ever made about DNF... EVER!!! Rep given.
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Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
Right now we are in a tricky spot. Obviously I think we are happy with what we?ve brought in from the portal, but there are still a couple of BIG holes. We need another front line starter, hope with Skenes seems to be fading a bit and Watts-Brown did not really reciprocate any return interest. The other is another corner outfielder. Losing Knight hurt, and I do not really know what happened with Groff but it seems that either he has moved off us or we moved off him. If we continue to strike out at that position we may have to roll with Bryce Chance. And while he is a great bat, he does not have the best arm to be playing in the outfield.
The staff has worked their ass off this summer, but we need to close this last month and go from a team who should be in a regional to a team that is hosting a regional. We built that stadium for June, not April.
Is the deal with Groff that we can't really guarantee a starting spot anymore with what we've already brought in?
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Originally Posted by
Tripp McNeely
Is the deal with Groff that we can't really guarantee a starting spot anymore with what we've already brought in?
I wish I could tell you. I was told before the season ended he was entering the portal and we were getting him. It was not going to be a long process and he would play either CF or LF for us. Then it was he wanted to see what his draft options were but that if he was not taken high enough we still had him. I think the Knight stuff kind of pissed him off. No knowledge of that, but reading between the lines it seems like he was under the impression that we were holding him a spot and then went out and got Knight and Ledbetter. Which, I get where he is coming from but we have to build a team. We cannot be held hostage until school starts waiting for the draft process to play out. We had to fill those positions with what was available at the time.
I still think there is a chance we get him, but way less confidence than I have been in a long time.
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Originally Posted by
Tripp McNeely
Is the deal with Groff that we can't really guarantee a starting spot anymore with what we've already brought in?
Originally Posted by
StarkVegasSteve
I wish I could tell you. I was told before the season ended he was entering the portal and we were getting him. It was not going to be a long process and he would play either CF or LF for us. Then it was he wanted to see what his draft options were but that if he was not taken high enough we still had him. I think the Knight stuff kind of pissed him off. No knowledge of that, but reading between the lines it seems like he was under the impression that we were holding him a spot and then went out and got Knight and Ledbetter...
The M over S requires a "team-first" mentality, and if Grof wanted to be part of MS, he needed to make his decision faster than he did.
Love the Ledbetter and Knight transfers (even with Knight drafted by MLB). But now, I'm ready to roll with Dakota Jordan and see if he can become the Alpha dog we missed in 2022 (ie, no Mangum, no TA, no Rooker on this past year's team). A single year from Grof will arguably only delay (and cost us to lose a year) from Dakota at the expense of prolonging a 5th-year, non-drafted player's career.
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Well? we aren?t getting either.
Knight signed with the Mariners today for $50k ($100k below slot value)and Groff committed to Ole Miss.
Hopefully Ledbetter works out and some of these freshman step up.
Last edited by Patrick Tibbons; 07-24-2022 at 05:33 PM.
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Originally Posted by
Patrick Tibbons
Well? we aren?t getting either.
Knight signed with the Mariners today for $50k ($100k below slot value)and Groff committed to Ole Miss.
Hopefully Ledbetter works out and some of these freshman step up.
https://twitter.com/aaronfitt/status...178169862?s=21
Ledbetter is having a helluva summer
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Patrick Tibbons
Well? we aren?t getting either.
Knight signed with the Mariners today for $50k ($100k below slot value)and Groff committed to Ole Miss.
The DNF effect.
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Originally Posted by
WSOPdawg
The M over S requires a "team-first" mentality, and if Grof wanted to be part of MS, he needed to make his decision faster than he did.
Love the Ledbetter and Knight transfers (even with Knight drafted by MLB). But now, I'm ready to roll with Dakota Jordan and see if he can become the Alpha dog we missed in 2022 (ie, no Mangum, no TA, no Rooker on this past year's team). A single year from Grof will arguably only delay (and cost us to lose a year) from Dakota at the expense of prolonging a 5th-year, non-drafted player's career.
Ready to roll w Dakota has consequences. It might work, and it might not. You have to have other options. He might struggle his fr year. This league is unforgiving on freshmen. If he's ready, he'll win the job. But you can't have him as your only option. He nor highfill, not matter the talent level. And if our staff does that, and they won't, they would be stupid.
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Originally Posted by
WSOPdawg
The M over S requires a "team-first" mentality, and if Grof wanted to be part of MS, he needed to make his decision faster than he did.
Love the Ledbetter and Knight transfers (even with Knight drafted by MLB). But now, I'm ready to roll with Dakota Jordan and see if he can become the Alpha dog we missed in 2022 (ie, no Mangum, no TA, no Rooker on this past year's team). A single year from Grof will arguably only delay (and cost us to lose a year) from Dakota at the expense of prolonging a 5th-year, non-drafted player's career.
As others have said I don't think it's a given that he would beat our Aaron Downs for the LF spot as Ledbetter can play CF. Which is good because it gives some flexibility as far as who we can after.
I don't fault anyone here. Knight was a better prospect than Groff. He went pro. That's how the cookie crumbles. Groff may not have liked that but this is a business and we have to go after the best player even if it burns us in the short term.
But worst case scenario- an OF of Downs, Ledbetter, Kellum, and maybe Dakota Jordan is something I could roll with if it comes down to it.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
Ledbetter is really good. I expect him to have a big year for us.
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