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Originally Posted by
662dawg
There's a thing called Google. Look it up and you'll understand how incorrect you are about what you stated.
Your post make no sense, I'm not googling anything.. if you can't defend your post without googling, don't post anything. I don't care what Google says, I know what I'm talking about
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Originally Posted by
NCMSTFAN
Malik Newman.. Mcdonalds All American
Quinndary Weatherspoon drafted by the Spurs
Reggie Perry McDonald's AA drafted by Brooklyn
Robert Woodard drafted by Sacramento
Dj Stewart 4 star, signed with Miami heat
Iverson Molinar signed with Milwaukee Bucks
Garrison Brooks signed with New York Knicks
Tyson Carter 4 star
Nick Weatherspoon 5/4 star
Aric Holman 4 star played with Lakers and Spurs summer league
Mario Kegler 4 star
Abdul Ado 4 star
Lamar Peter 4 star
Howland recruited a ton of talent... he just didn't coach them well but no one can say he wasn't a good receuiter. I'll debate this all day long
How many stayed for four years much less contributed for three besides Q or Ado?
Coach34 .. "We're not hiring the ****ing Pirate at Miss State. GTFO"
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Originally Posted by
NCMSTFAN
Your post make no sense, I'm not googling anything.. if you can't defend your post without googling, don't post anything. I don't care what Google says, I know what I'm talking about
"Honestly we haven't been on Auburn or Bama's level since we had Stansbury.. Stans kept us relevant and had us in the tourney most years, we just never advanced far."
If you had said we haven't been on Auburn's level since Bruce Pearls arrival, you'd have been more correct, but even then we were at their level his first 2-3 years. So what changed? Because he's an ACTUAL elite/great recruiter & took them to the next level recently.
Auburn was down during our Rick Ray years. Auburn took the next step because of an ACTUAL GREAT recruiter/coach.
20 win seasons since Stansbury:
Auburn 4
MSU 3
Bama 3
Yea we definitely haven't been on Bama or Auburn's level 🤦 Good thing you know basketball tho.
& my point stands. Jans will recruit as well as Howland did here. And Jans is likely the better coach.
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Originally Posted by
BiscuitEater
How many stayed for four years much less contributed for three besides Q or Ado?
Lol, calipari sucks as a recruiter too. How many stayed 4 years? lol
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Originally Posted by
BiscuitEater
How many stayed for four years much less contributed for three besides Q or Ado?
Aric Holman 4 years
Nick Weatherspoon 3 years
Lamar Peters 3 years
Tyson Carter 4 years
DJ Stewart 3 years
Quindarry Weatherspoon 4 years
Abdul Ado 4 years
Iverson Molinar 3 years
And everyone I listed all contributed whats your point?
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Originally Posted by
662dawg
"Honestly we haven't been on Auburn or Bama's level since we had Stansbury.. Stans kept us relevant and had us in the tourney most years, we just never advanced far."
If you had said we haven't been on Auburn's level since Bruce Pearls arrival, you'd have been more correct, but even then we were at their level his first 2-3 years. So what changed? Because he's an ACTUAL elite/great recruiter & took them to the next level recently.
Auburn was down during our Rick Ray years. Auburn took the next step because of an ACTUAL GREAT recruiter/coach.
20 win seasons since Stansbury:
Auburn 4
MSU 3
Bama 3
Yea we definitely haven't been on Bama or Auburn's level 🤦 Good thing you know basketball tho.
& my point stands. Jans will recruit as well as Howland did here. And Jans is likely the better coach.
Tournies
Bama 4
Auburn 3
State 1
Sweet 16
Bama and auburn 1
State 0
Sec champs
Bama and auburn 1
State 0
You really trying to sell us as equals?
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Originally Posted by
662dawg
"Honestly we haven't been on Auburn or Bama's level since we had Stansbury.. Stans kept us relevant and had us in the tourney most years, we just never advanced far."
If you had said we haven't been on Auburn's level since Bruce Pearls arrival, you'd have been more correct, but even then we were at their level his first 2-3 years. So what changed? Because he's an ACTUAL elite/great recruiter & took them to the next level recently.
Auburn was down during our Rick Ray years. Auburn took the next step because of an ACTUAL GREAT recruiter/coach.
20 win seasons since Stansbury:
Auburn 4
MSU 3
Bama 3
Yea we definitely haven't been on Bama or Auburn's level 🤦 Good thing you know basketball tho.
& my point stands. Jans will recruit as well as Howland did here. And Jans is likely the better coach.
I honestly don't even know what point your trying to make at this point. What you just posted tells me nothing. 20 win seasons? That means absolutely nothing in today's game. There was a time where a 20 win season meant you were almost guaranteed a tourney spot, now it means nothing.. Quad wins determine your spot in the tournament.
Posting about 20 win season definitely didn't help whatever point you're trying to make.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Tournies
Bama 4
Auburn 3
State 1
Sweet 16
Bama and auburn 1
State 0
Sec champs
Bama and auburn 1
State 0
You really trying to sell us as equals?
I was just about to post this exact same thing
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Originally Posted by
NCMSTFAN
I was just about to post this exact same thing
Not to mention, why would auburn and bama (our equals) be keeping their coaches while we move on?
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Not to mention, why would auburn and bama (our equals) be keeping their coaches while we move on?
Ummm because they have great/elite recruiters as coaches. Everything they've done since Stans has been since we hired Howland. Auburn more than Bama. You are literally making my point that Howland was in fact NOT a great/elite recruiter. Jans will recruit just as well as Howland has here.
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Originally Posted by
662dawg
Ummm because they have great/elite recruiters as coaches. Everything they've done has been since we hired Howland. Aubirn more than Bama. You are literally making my point that Howland was in fact NOT a great/elite recruiter. Jans will recruit just as well as Howland has here.
Mumble, mumble... 20 win seasons
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Also, we can hate on Jans as a recruiter but 5 years ago Mosley would have been a bulldog. It isn’t Jans fault that we couldn’t outbid Mizzou.
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Originally Posted by
ZedFedder
Also, we can hate on Jans as a recruiter but 5 years ago Mosley would have been a bulldog. It isn’t Jans fault that we couldn’t outbid Mizzou.
I personally hope Jans does great for us and I'm not hating on him as a recruiter, I'm only voicing my concerns about it. I know he will be a really good coach I just worry about the recruiting, he hasn't had to recruit at an SEC level before and his 1st class here is filled with mid major portal guys...
I do think with what we have coming back along with the guys he added we will be good this year, because he can coach.. but going forward I'm concerned about it. And your right the NIL is another hurdle to overcome but he will have to adjust just like every other coach will.
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Lol, calipari sucks as a recruiter too. How many stayed 4 years? lol
Cal's players contribute before they leave; Howland's not so much!
Coach34 .. "We're not hiring the ****ing Pirate at Miss State. GTFO"
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Originally Posted by
BiscuitEater
Cal's players contribute before they leave; Howland's not so much!
What do we define as contribute? Howland had alot of players contribute and put up good numbers but that didn't turn into wins and is why we have a new coach. His recruiting outshined his coaching
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Man some of you guys sure loved a washed up has been that could recruit decently on paper but do much of nothing when they got here. I'm ready to see what the new blood can do.
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Originally Posted by
mparkerfd20
Man some of you guys sure loved a washed up has been that could recruit decently on paper but do much of nothing when they got here. I'm ready to see what the new blood can do.
I like the Jans' hire. Why do you have to trash howland to appreciate the new guy? So weird
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At the end of the day, the Ws and Ls and tourney appearances are all that matters. I’m hopeful Jans can increase both the Ws and tourneys.
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As frustrating as Howland was, he put us in a decent position to make the next step. Howland was a good hire to clean up after post Stans and Rick Ray, but there is no doubt it was time to move on. He ran a clean program for the most part except for baby spoon getting involved in JoMos tutorgate which I put the blame on Moorhead there a lot more than Howland Now we have a solid floor coach which we have lacked since Williams. I?m confident Jans can take the next step and make us a tournament team most years.
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