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    Quote Originally Posted by Activated Alpha View Post
    Yeah I'm going to disagree with this. Back in 2010 during the initial agenda to give athletes money for play was pushed by the left and left leaning mainstream media. Started out in the West and grew from there. No one on the right was adamant for this type of situation. In fact, most people on the right back then were saying how this would create an even more disparity and cause multiple discrimination cases. So yeah this started out be political by the left, not the NCAA....

    Speaking as an indepenet
    I am going to disagree with you. Back in 2010 when this initially started, people (not the left or the right) agreed that players should have the same rights as any other student. They should be able to make money any legal way they see fit and the NCAA should piss off trying to tell an adult what they can and cannot do. Students of all types can make money any and all ways.

    Does it 17 the system, yes. Is it a very clear way of ?cheating? to get the best players, yes. Only cheating if you hate money being a deciding factor in a player going to a school. Or sucks because football used to be enjoyable when it was just actual students forming a team and playing other students. But hell guys, it hasn?t been that way since the 1940s or longer.

    This is the game. It will never go back from here on out. Never. Lawsuits will be filed the second they try to withhold any money from any student that could earn that money. It will not change, and will only expand even further in recruiting as long as the first step to being a championship team is to have better players than your competition at every position. aTm knows this. They have a plan to ensure it. And it is legal now. That is just the way it is. Anyone of us can call up a high school senior and offer bags of cash at any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead View Post
    I am going to disagree with you. Back in 2010 when this initially started, people (not the left or the right) agreed that players should have the same rights as any other student. They should be able to make money any legal way they see fit and the NCAA should piss off trying to tell an adult what they can and cannot do. Students of all types can make money any and all ways.

    Does it 17 the system, yes. Is it a very clear way of ?cheating? to get the best players, yes. Only cheating if you hate money being a deciding factor in a player going to a school. Or sucks because football used to be enjoyable when it was just actual students forming a team and playing other students. But hell guys, it hasn?t been that way since the 1940s or longer.

    This is the game. It will never go back from here on out. Never. Lawsuits will be filed the second they try to withhold any money from any student that could earn that money. It will not change, and will only expand even further in recruiting as long as the first step to being a championship team is to have better players than your competition at every position. aTm knows this. They have a plan to ensure it. And it is legal now. That is just the way it is. Anyone of us can call up a high school senior and offer bags of cash at any time.
    The SC upheld salary caps way back when so the NCAA should have a clear path if they wanna pursue the right path barring any SC Packing being currently threatened by those opposed to the gun in my closet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLJWales View Post
    The SC upheld salary caps way back when so the NCAA should have a clear path if they wanna pursue the right path barring any SC Packing being currently threatened by those opposed to the gun in my closet.
    Too, nothing the the SC has handed down prevents the ncaa from enforcing restrictions against NIL (like preventing it from being used in the recruiting process). In fact, the Alston case limited it's holding to "education-related" benefits and even talked about the need to balance amateurism principles with anti trust and capitalism principles. The ncaa just got soft. Enacting the free transfer rule at the same time NIL came on the scene was incredibly dumb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLJWales View Post
    The SC upheld salary caps way back when so the NCAA should have a clear path if they wanna pursue the right path barring any SC Packing being currently threatened by those opposed to the gun in my closet.
    If a salary cap was implemented on college players, could they do it for coaches also?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMissJack View Post
    If a salary cap was implemented on college players, could they do it for coaches also?
    They should - and there should probably a budget cap as well and limits to number of personnel - if the goal is actual competitive balance. Do that and pair conferences in tiers with promotion and relegation and then we will be cooking

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    The NCAA should have never banned extra benefits in the first place. It should be a free for all in that regard and effectively was since the 1940’s…

    Except for randomly placing programs on probation just to make themselves look like they were this moral authority when they knew damn well EVERYBODY was doing it to one extent or another.

    The Mike Slive file 13 approach to all complaints about recruiting by one school against another was brilliant and really propelled the SEC during his tenure.

    If it were a free for all concerning extra benefits we wouldn’t even have to deal with NIL issues at all. The old system was the best system if the NCAA would just totally do away with putting programs on probation.

    There is, and never was, anything wrong with an individual giving his own money to a college kid to come play sports for the University he loves. But the current NIL/portal system is a total cluster and we’ll spend years trying to figure it out before ditching it for who knows what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schultzy View Post
    The NCAA should have never banned extra benefits in the first place. It should be a free for all in that regard and effectively was since the 1940’s…

    Except for randomly placing programs on probation just to make themselves look like they were this moral authority when they knew damn well EVERYBODY was doing it to one extent or another.

    The Mike Slive file 13 approach to all complaints about recruiting by one school against another was brilliant and really propelled the SEC during his tenure.

    If it were a free for all concerning extra benefits we wouldn’t even have to deal with NIL issues at all. The old system was the best system if the NCAA would just totally do away with putting programs on probation.

    There is, and never was, anything wrong with an individual giving his own money to a college kid to come play sports for the University he loves. But the current NIL/portal system is a total cluster and we’ll spend years trying to figure it out before ditching it for who knows what.
    I disagree with all of that. Current NIL structure has no safeguards the previous way had where "Gentlemen agreements" created balance that if some team gets too far outta line then punishment becomes a possibility. Socialism in Sports is a tried and true Proven industry grower.

    I'm thinking maybe things use to be like : " Hey Mike Check this BS Jimbo's been pulling" " Yea Nick this looks excessive, I'll give him a call letting him know a NOI's going out if continued" "Thanks Mike".... Instead now we get NCAA Censoring bad stuff said about their self made cluster 17 and the spats go from internal to media frenzies.
    Last edited by OLJWales; 06-05-2022 at 08:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OLJWales View Post
    I disagree with all of that. Current NIL structure has no safeguards the previous way had where "Gentlemen agreements" created balance that if some team gets too far outta line then punishment becomes a possibility. Socialism in Sports is a tried and true Proven industry grower.

    I'm thinking maybe things use to be like : " Hey Mike Check this BS Jimbo's been pulling" " Yea Nick this looks excessive, I'll give him a call letting him know a NOI's going out if continued" "Thanks Mike".... Instead now we get NCAA Censoring bad stuff said about their self made cluster 17 and the spats go from internal to media frenzies.
    I don’t think you understand. I’m saying no NOI’s, no rules, no going on probation, no turning anyone in (bc there are no rules concerning extra benefits) in the universe of recruiting.

    No wondering who turned you in (by the way being able to face your accuser is a staple of our judicial system) we never heard from the ncaa who was turning in who which was always total bullshit.
    Last edited by Schultzy; 06-05-2022 at 09:59 PM.

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    You see the answer should never be “yeah Nick this looks excessive, I’ll give Jimbo a call.”

    It should always be “yeah Nick (or any other hypocritical coach turning someone else in) STFU we all know you’re doing the same damn thing and even more excessively.”

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