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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    There is more competition in the marketplace now than its ever been.
    I agree with that...but its always been like this to some degree.... always....it can't be an excuse because every team is dealing with it... not just us. But other teams are making moves. We have to do the same.
    I'm looking at the top transfer portal rankings and teams like Providence, Arkansas, Georgia, Arizona State, Texas Tech etc lead the rankings.... there's no way you can't tell me we can't bring in 6 good/solid players just because of NIL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN View Post
    I agree with that...but its always been like this to some degree.... always....it can't be an excuse because every team is dealing with it... not just us. But other teams are making moves. We have to do the same.
    I'm looking at the top transfer portal rankings and teams like Providence, Arkansas, Georgia, Arizona State, Texas Tech etc lead the rankings.... there's no way you can't tell me we can't bring in 6 good/solid players just because of NIL.
    I'm saying those schools are outspending us. The cost of putting teams together has gone up and that new price is making it harder on us.

    It's little things like LSU making us spend alot of money just to keep a player we already had in Tolu. Things like this havent happened before and it's getting expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    I'm saying those schools are outspending us. The cost of putting teams together has gone up and that new price is making it harder on us.

    It's little things like LSU making us spend alot of money just to keep a player we already had in Tolu. Things like this havent happened before and it's getting expensive.
    This. The player has the hammer because there's no contracts, no rules, no nothing to control this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    I'm saying those schools are outspending us. The cost of putting teams together has gone up and that new price is making it harder on us.

    It's little things like LSU making us spend alot of money just to keep a player we already had in Tolu. Things like this havent happened before and it's getting expensive.
    I think alot of you guys are putting way too much stock in this NIL stough. Not much is going to change and we can't have this 'poor little Mississippi State' attitude towards it. If this is the way its going to be, right or wrong, we have to adjust like all other 300 plus D1 schools will. I keep hearing ppl say the blue blood schools are going to win everything now, well heck they won everything before NIL.. here are your last 10 National Champions in Football and Basketball:

    Football: Georgia, Bama, LSU, Clemson, Bama, Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, Florida State, Bama

    Basketball: Kansas, Baylor, Virginia, Villanova, North Carolina, Villanova, Duke, UCONN, Louisville, Kentucky

    All powerhouse blue blood schools accept for maybe Baylor in basketball..... so what is going to change now that NIL is here? Absolutely nothing, these same schools will still be blue bloods and still dominate college sports. It happened before NIL and will continue to happen. If anything the NIL can hopefully level the playing field some. I don't like that there's no rules to it and obviously that needs to change, but money has always been around college sports, the common fan just knows about it now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN View Post
    I think alot of you guys are putting way too much stock in this NIL stough. Not much is going to change and we can't have this 'poor little Mississippi State' attitude towards it. If this is the way its going to be, right or wrong, we have to adjust like all other 300 plus D1 schools will. I keep hearing ppl say the blue blood schools are going to win everything now, well heck they won everything before NIL.. here are your last 10 National Champions in Football and Basketball:

    Football: Georgia, Bama, LSU, Clemson, Bama, Clemson, Bama, Ohio State, Florida State, Bama

    Basketball: Kansas, Baylor, Virginia, Villanova, North Carolina, Villanova, Duke, UCONN, Louisville, Kentucky

    All powerhouse blue blood schools accept for maybe Baylor in basketball..... so what is going to change now that NIL is here? Absolutely nothing, these same schools will still be blue bloods and still dominate college sports. It happened before NIL and will continue to happen. If anything the NIL can hopefully level the playing field some. I don't like that there's no rules to it and obviously that needs to change, but money has always been around college sports, the common fan just knows about it now.
    Nobody is saying that spreading money around hasnt been happening before. What's happening now is that it is legal and out in the open which has allowed schools to bring more people and businesses into the fray. The cost is jumping way up and we arent able to keep up.

    It's like gas prices. Higher gas prices arent hurting the Elites (blue bloods)- but it's rough on us poor people. SEC money has allowed us to upgrade facilities and things the last 30 years- but cash-wise we struggle. NIL is going to force us down the ladder farther than we have been. Tulane, La Tech, Houston, and other schools can put together funds to get basketball players just as easy as we can now.

    NIL is going to choke us out down the road. It's just getting started and already having an impact.
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    I unfortunately agee with you Coach

    NIL is a stake in the heart of MSU sports. Football and basketball for sure. Baseball i am not sure of...

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    Quote Originally Posted by West Houston Dog View Post
    NIL is a stake in the heart of MSU sports. Football and basketball for sure. Baseball i am not sure of...
    Doubtful it effects baseball. Just not enough interest in the rest of the country to invest huge sums in it. That and we'll more than likely make sure resources are funnelled to the baseball program to keep it intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Nobody is saying that spreading money around hasnt been happening before. What's happening now is that it is legal and out in the open which has allowed schools to bring more people and businesses into the fray. The cost is jumping way up and we arent able to keep up.

    It's like gas prices. Higher gas prices arent hurting the Elites (blue bloods)- but it's rough on us poor people. SEC money has allowed us to upgrade facilities and things the last 30 years- but cash-wise we struggle. NIL is going to force us down the ladder farther than we have been. Tulane, La Tech, Houston, and other schools can put together funds to get basketball players just as easy as we can now.

    NIL is going to choke us out down the road. It's just getting started and already having an impact.
    I think it is going to force us to get creative - which we aren't typically good at. But, this could be where us being frugal and not expanding our overall budget exponentially could help.
    Looking at our 2021 Athletic Dept. Income & Expenses available here: https://knightnewhousedata.org/fbs/s...itution_data-1, We had just shy of $113m in revenue against only $96m in expenses, and just shy of $9m in debt service. That is leaving about $8m on the table. We generate $7.4m in "Corporate Sponsorship, Advertising & Licensing." We should direct anyone in that "Corporate Sponsorship & Advertising" realm into an NIL fund that then generates their "ads" in stadiums, radio, gameday programs, etc, etc, via a $1 placement fee from the university. That way contractually they university is selling ad space, but it is locked in to 1 vendor to produce NIL deals in exchange for the great advertising placement rates. The University replaces that $7.4m with the $8m that is being banked, and works like hell to figure out how to funnel more to NIL when the new SEC contract add $20m a year to the bottom line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Nobody is saying that spreading money around hasnt been happening before. What's happening now is that it is legal and out in the open which has allowed schools to bring more people and businesses into the fray. The cost is jumping way up and we arent able to keep up.

    It's like gas prices. Higher gas prices arent hurting the Elites (blue bloods)- but it's rough on us poor people. SEC money has allowed us to upgrade facilities and things the last 30 years- but cash-wise we struggle. NIL is going to force us down the ladder farther than we have been. Tulane, La Tech, Houston, and other schools can put together funds to get basketball players just as easy as we can now.

    NIL is going to choke us out down the road. It's just getting started and already having an impact.
    Oh I'm following what you are saying, but as I said I don't think it will have the impact that alot of you do. And I also think some rules will get implemented. Yes it will have some impact, but we are still an SEC school.... we aren't Tulane, Houston, La Tech. Just have to find a way to make it happen, nobody is going to feel sorry for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN View Post
    Oh I'm following what you are saying, but as I said I don't think it will have the impact that alot of you do. And I also think some rules will get implemented. Yes it will have some impact, but we are still an SEC school.... we aren't Tulane, Houston, La Tech. Just have to find a way to make it happen, nobody is going to feel sorry for us.
    1. Well go back to my 1st post. The article gives a clear example of NIL affecting a school that just made the Elite 8. Player says he will leave if NIL isnt bigger for him.
    2. LSU forcing us to committ 6-figure money to Tolu just so he will stay in maroon.
    3. Houston has made the FF and Elite 8 last 2 seasons. They have more money for NIL than we do.
    4. Until rules get implemented- we are at a disadvantage. I dont see it happening anytime soon. Emmert is leaving in 2023- so nothing will be done at least until a new President comes in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    1. Well go back to my 1st post. The article gives a clear example of NIL affecting a school that just made the Elite 8. Player says he will leave if NIL isnt bigger for him.
    2. LSU forcing us to committ 6-figure money to Tolu just so he will stay in maroon.
    3. Houston has made the FF and Elite 8 last 2 seasons. They have more money for NIL than we do.
    4. Until rules get implemented- we are at a disadvantage. I dont see it happening anytime soon. Emmert is leaving in 2023- so nothing will be done at least until a new President comes in.
    WHO is paying Tolu, for what, who arranged the deal and where did the money originate? We need to start talking details of these NIL deals so we can discuss them with some facts as a starting point.

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