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    Every win we've ever had over a team that finished ranked

    This is based on the AP Poll, which goes back to 1936. So it won't include a game like the 1935 win over Army, which would likely be on it if the poll existed then. Also, it's based on the final AP Poll, rather than where a team was ranked at the time we played them, since we shouldn't get credit for a win over a team that turned out bad, and we should get credit for a team that turned out to be good, even if the voters didn't realize it at the time.

    I'm also going to ignore forfeited/vacated games in either direction and rely solely on the results on the field. Tyler and Moorhead get credit for wins that we no longer claim; Sherril doesn't get a win that Alabama forfeited to us.

    1941, #20 Alabama, Allyn McKeen
    1941, #17 Ole Miss, Allyn McKeen
    1942, #16 Auburn, Allyn McKeen
    1945, #15 LSU, Allyn McKeen
    1950, #4 Tennesssee, Arthur Morton
    1952, #20 Kentucky, Murray Warmath
    1957, #17 Florida, Wade Walker
    1958, #18 Florida, Wade Walker
    1963, #5 Auburn, Paul Davis
    1970, #20 Ole Miss, Charles Shira
    1976, #18 Kentucky, Bob Tyler
    1977, #10 Washington, Bob Tyler
    1980, #18 Miami (FL), Emory Bellard
    1980, #6 Alabama, Emory Bellard
    1982, #11 LSU, Emory Bellard
    1984, #15 LSU, Emory Bellard
    1992, #10 Florida, Jackie Sherrill
    1994, #22 Tennesssee, Jackie Sherrill
    1996, #11 Alabama, Jackie Sherrill
    1997, #11 Auburn, Jackie Sherrill
    1998, #16 Arkansas, Jackie Sherrill
    1999, #22 Ole Miss, Jackie Sherrill
    2000, #10 Florida, Jackie Sherrill
    2000, #18 Auburn, Jackie Sherrill
    2007, #15 Auburn, Sylvester Croom
    2009, #20 Ole Miss, Dan Mullen
    2014, #22 Auburn, Dan Mullen
    2017, #18 LSU, Dan Mullen
    2018, #16 Texas A&M, Joe Moorhead
    2021, #20 NC State, Mike Leach
    2021, #18 Kentucky, Mike Leach

    We only have 4 seasons where we got more than one in a season:
    2 - 1941, 1980, 2000, 2021

    And by coach, sorted by percentage of games coached that were wins over ranked teams:
    2/24 (8.3%) - Mike Leach
    1/19 (5.3%) - Murray Warmath
    8/152 (5.3%) - Jackie Sherrill
    4/79 (5.1%) - Emory Bellard
    4/87 (4.6%) - Allyn McKeen
    1/26 (3.8%) - Joe Moorhead
    1/27 (3.7%) - Arthur Morton
    2/56 (3.6%) - Wade Walker
    2/67 (3.0%) - Bob Tyler
    3/115 (2.6%) - Dan Mullen
    1/50 (2.0%) - Paul Davis
    1/59 (1.7%) - Sylvester Croom
    1/63 (1.6%) - Charles Shira

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    This is based on the AP Poll, which goes back to 1936. So it won't include a game like the 1935 win over Army, which would likely be on it if the poll existed then. Also, it's based on the final AP Poll, rather than where a team was ranked at the time we played them, since we shouldn't get credit for a win over a team that turned out bad, and we should get credit for a team that turned out to be good, even if the voters didn't realize it at the time.

    I'm also going to ignore forfeited/vacated games in either direction and rely solely on the results on the field. Tyler and Moorhead get credit for wins that we no longer claim; Sherril doesn't get a win that Alabama forfeited to us.

    1941, #20 Alabama, Allyn McKeen
    1941, #17 Ole Miss, Allyn McKeen
    1942, #16 Auburn, Allyn McKeen
    1945, #15 LSU, Allyn McKeen
    1950, #4 Tennesssee, Arthur Morton
    1952, #20 Kentucky, Murray Warmath
    1957, #17 Florida, Wade Walker
    1958, #18 Florida, Wade Walker
    1963, #5 Auburn, Paul Davis
    1970, #20 Ole Miss, Charles Shira
    1976, #18 Kentucky, Bob Tyler
    1977, #10 Washington, Bob Tyler
    1980, #18 Miami (FL), Emory Bellard
    1980, #6 Alabama, Emory Bellard
    1982, #11 LSU, Emory Bellard
    1984, #15 LSU, Emory Bellard
    1992, #10 Florida, Jackie Sherrill
    1994, #22 Tennesssee, Jackie Sherrill
    1996, #11 Alabama, Jackie Sherrill
    1997, #11 Auburn, Jackie Sherrill
    1998, #16 Arkansas, Jackie Sherrill
    1999, #22 Ole Miss, Jackie Sherrill
    2000, #10 Florida, Jackie Sherrill
    2000, #18 Auburn, Jackie Sherrill
    2007, #15 Auburn, Sylvester Croom
    2009, #20 Ole Miss, Dan Mullen
    2014, #22 Auburn, Dan Mullen
    2017, #18 LSU, Dan Mullen
    2018, #16 Texas A&M, Joe Moorhead
    2021, #20 NC State, Mike Leach
    2021, #18 Kentucky, Mike Leach

    We only have 4 seasons where we got more than one in a season:
    2 - 1941, 1980, 2000, 2021

    And by coach, sorted by percentage of games coached that were wins over ranked teams:
    2/24 (8.3%) - Mike Leach
    1/19 (5.3%) - Murray Warmath
    8/152 (5.3%) - Jackie Sherrill
    4/79 (5.1%) - Emory Bellard
    4/87 (4.6%) - Allyn McKeen
    1/26 (3.8%) - Joe Moorhead
    1/27 (3.7%) - Arthur Morton
    2/56 (3.6%) - Wade Walker
    2/67 (3.0%) - Bob Tyler
    3/115 (2.6%) - Dan Mullen
    1/50 (2.0%) - Paul Davis
    1/59 (1.7%) - Sylvester Croom
    1/63 (1.6%) - Charles Shira
    Thanks for doing this, great post.

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    TAM didn't finish ranked this year?

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    Not to throw work on you, but I wonder how this also compares to losses to teams that ended up ranked by the AP. Figure we average 2 L's a season?
    "After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turfdawg67 View Post
    TAM didn't finish ranked this year?
    That's their reward for pussing out of the bowl game.
    "After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
    - Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turfdawg67 View Post
    TAM didn't finish ranked this year?
    No, and it ruined my plans to point out how Leach equaled Mullen's career total in just this year. They were first team out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    No, and it ruined my plans to point out how Leach equaled Mullen's career total in just this year. They were first team out.
    Good work on the list but to make it sizzle more why not place the rankings by the teams on the day we beat them.
    I was at the 1980 Bama game and they were #1 then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quaoarsking View Post
    No, and it ruined my plans to point out how Leach equaled Mullen's career total in just this year. They were first team out.
    Yeah, not so easy to do. Any non top-25 team is not going to finish the season with a lot of top 25 wins. Kind of the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Not to throw work on you, but I wonder how this also compares to losses to teams that ended up ranked by the AP. Figure we average 2 L's a season?
    I know in 2014 all 3 losses were to ranked teams. We also had 3 wins vs ranked teams at the time we played them, but by end of season, only Auburn was still ranked.

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    Until Leach gets us to at least a NY6 game I don?t care how many ranked teams he beats. We also lost to a terrible Memphis team and bad LSU/Tx Tech teams. This is not to discredit his UK, NC State and TAMU wins. Those were solid wins along with Auburn on the road even though Auburn was bad. Once he gets us to a NY6 bowl I am all about comparing him to Mullen, but at this time it?s a pointless comparison. I do like the stats though and even though it?s said then 2018 aTm game it appears in record books like winsipedia they are still counting the win for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG View Post
    Until Leach gets us to at least a NY6 game I don?t care how many ranked teams he beats. We also lost to a terrible Memphis team and bad LSU/Tx Tech teams. This is not to discredit his UK, NC State and TAMU wins. Those were solid wins along with Auburn on the road even though Auburn was bad. Once he gets us to a NY6 bowl I am all about comparing him to Mullen, but at this time it?s a pointless comparison. I do like the stats though and even though it?s said then 2018 aTm game it appears in record books like winsipedia they are still counting the win for us
    Agree. I've said before, we did some better things this year but again we only really had 4 good games all year. We have not arrived and much work to do. We won some games we played crappy in and I don't think we played more than 2-3 quarters all year. Gotta fix that.

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    By where they finish is crazy. Cause if you lose to them, it's more likely they are ranked. See a&m had we lost to them, they would have been in the top 25. Base it on when you play them.

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    An Important Perspective on this topic

    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    By where they finish is crazy. Cause if you lose to them, it's more likely they are ranked. See a&m had we lost to them, they would have been in the top 25. Base it on when you play them.
    In general, Mullen has been held on a high pedestal and I have held him there too. He did reach a modern day pinnacle in October, 2014. However, a lot of this high perception of Mullen is because he followed coaches who had lost miserably (Sherrill in the end and Croom throughout) and the fan base was so low in expectation as well (I was). Mullen raised the floor of the fan base a lot! So those who followed him have had shorter leashes for sure. Moorhead would still be here if not for lack of team/locker room management. So let's not be so hard on Leach! (as I have to remind myself of this too!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG View Post
    Until Leach gets us to at least a NY6 game I don?t care how many ranked teams he beats. We also lost to a terrible Memphis team and bad LSU/Tx Tech teams. This is not to discredit his UK, NC State and TAMU wins. Those were solid wins along with Auburn on the road even though Auburn was bad. Once he gets us to a NY6 bowl I am all about comparing him to Mullen, but at this time it?s a pointless comparison. I do like the stats though and even though it?s said then 2018 aTm game it appears in record books like winsipedia they are still counting the win for us
    I'm holding that Memphis loss on the officials than MSU. No one knew we were going to be COVID ravaged going into the Liberty Bowl either.

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    Really good info! I love the research. I think I was in attendance at most of those games post 1991.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deltadawg63 View Post
    In general, Mullen has been held on a high pedestal and I have held him there too. He did reach a modern day pinnacle in October, 2014. However, a lot of this high perception of Mullen is because he followed coaches who had lost miserably (Sherrill in the end and Croom throughout) and the fan base was so low in expectation as well (I was). Mullen raised the floor of the fan base a lot! So those who followed him have had shorter leashes for sure. Moorhead would still be here if not for lack of team/locker room management. So let's not be so hard on Leach! (as I have to remind myself of this too!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    By where they finish is crazy. Cause if you lose to them, it's more likely they are ranked. See a&m had we lost to them, they would have been in the top 25. Base it on when you play them.
    Where they are at the time is much worse. Vanderbilt 2008 and LSU 2020 were bad teams that were not top 25 quality. The voters realized it by the end of the year.

    You also see the opposite. We should get credit for beating Auburn in 2007, even though they happened not to be ranked that week.

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    Delete - saw the answer down the thread
    Last edited by Dawgtini; 01-12-2022 at 09:11 AM.

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    Excellent work as usual Q; thank you sir. I'm thinking with Mullen last year we woulda traded a couple of those Leach wins in exchange for the Memphis& LSU games within no La Tech drama either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    By where they finish is crazy. Cause if you lose to them, it's more likely they are ranked. See a&m had we lost to them, they would have been in the top 25. Base it on when you play them.
    Yes, THIS!

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