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    How?

    How did we get passed by OM and Arky in a 2 year span?

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    Sounds like we need to fire leach or hire the official who called the bogus PI on Fourth down at Arkansas. Has Memphis passed us too ?

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    Recruiting. Those schools recruit better than State. It was obvious last night.

    Hell, Moorhead signed a safety that didn't like to tackle and not even the best player on his HS defense. (No longer on the roster)

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    The thumb points at Moorhead. That's partially how. And Dan started having JUCO heavy classes trying to get out of here while not giving a damn about our future which is why our senior day class was like 10 players mostly walk-ons, JUCO's, and transfers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    Recruiting. Those schools recruit better than State. It was obvious last night.

    Hell, Moorhead signed a safety that didn't like to tackle and not even the best player on his HS defense. (No longer on the roster)
    Not really. If you take the last 3 signing classes from those schools, the average recruiting class is:

    MSU-26
    Arkansas- 25
    OM- 24

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    Quote Originally Posted by WhiskeyPirate View Post
    Sounds like we need to fire leach or hire the official who called the bogus PI on Fourth down at Arkansas. Has Memphis passed us too ?
    It?s a legit question. Do you disagree? 2 years ago, we were heads and shoulders in better shape than both of them. We can?t fire Leach. 3 HC in 4 years would kill the program, but you do realize that we are 0-4 vs them. As I watch this Arky game, I find myself wondering how it went this way so fast. JoMo recruited well per the numbers. Arky was a dumpster fire. OM coming off of probation.

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    I don't care what 247 says. I say what I saw last night and in Fayetteville.

    Also as I said, one guy that I saw play many times. Was rated a 3*. Naw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dak Holliday View Post
    It?s a legit question. Do you disagree? 2 years ago, we were heads and shoulders in better shape than both of them. We can?t fire Leach. 3 HC in 4 years would kill the program, but you do realize that we are 0-4 vs them. As I watch this Arky game, I find myself wondering how it went this way so fast. JoMo recruited well per the numbers. Arky was a dumpster fire. OM coming off of probation.
    Joe's oldest players on this team are juniors and most are redshirt freshmen or sophomores. Some of them are some of our best players. Of course his last class finished by Leach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dak Holliday View Post
    It?s a legit question. Do you disagree? 2 years ago, we were heads and shoulders in better shape than both of them. We can?t fire Leach. 3 HC in 4 years would kill the program, but you do realize that we are 0-4 vs them. As I watch this Arky game, I find myself wondering how it went this way so fast. JoMo recruited well per the numbers. Arky was a dumpster fire. OM coming off of probation.
    I don't know that the issue is recruiting so much as it is roster management. Both play more upperclassmen than we do. The largest margin of victory for either one of them against us is 10 points in that span. Which was last night. That will probably flip once we're the older team next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dak Holliday View Post
    It?s a legit question. Do you disagree? 2 years ago, we were heads and shoulders in better shape than both of them. We can?t fire Leach. 3 HC in 4 years would kill the program, but you do realize that we are 0-4 vs them. As I watch this Arky game, I find myself wondering how it went this way so fast. JoMo recruited well per the numbers. Arky was a dumpster fire. OM coming off of probation.
    Sounds like a travesty

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    I don't care what 247 says. I say what I saw last night and in Fayetteville.

    Also as I said, one guy that I saw play many times. Was rated a 3*. Naw.
    I mean okay. You can't blame recruiting and then discredit a legit recruiting site that has consistently shown a correlation between their rankings and where teams actually end up.

    Us, Ark, and OM all have similar talent. Now, OM has the better QB, which sets them apart a little. But the talent is similar.

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    We also had a much more drastic change in philosophy than the other two. That's a big factor as well. We went from a run first spread team to the Air Raid. We also were way behind in S&C until Leach came in. That is a big factor a lot of fans forget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOdawg1 View Post
    I mean okay. You can't blame recruiting and then discredit a legit recruiting site that has consistently shown a correlation between their rankings and where teams actually end up.

    Us, Ark, and OM all have similar talent. Now, OM has the better QB, which sets them apart a little. But the talent is similar.
    They also have the more Experienced QB who is also mobile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    We also had a much more drastic change in philosophy than the other two. That's a big factor as well. We went from a run first spread team to the Air Raid. We also were way behind in S&C until Leach came in. That is a big factor a lot of fans forget.
    Yep, KJ and Corral fit their offenses very well. Lebby and Briles weren?t installing totally new offensive schemes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOdawg1 View Post
    I mean okay. You can't blame recruiting and then discredit a legit recruiting site that has consistently shown a correlation between their rankings and where teams actually end up.

    Us, Ark, and OM all have similar talent. Now, OM has the better QB, which sets them apart a little. But the talent is similar.
    Well, to be fair instead of going back three years a better sample would be five. That would cover the juniors and seniors who play the majority of the snaps for most teams and be a little more accurate in general. The results may be similar there too- at least it wouldn't surprise me. But if we look at the make up of the classes ours from five years ago would be the Montez Sweat/Jonathan Abram class that we signed 10 JUCO's or something like that and while I believe we had some hits in that class to like Willie Gay because they left early it caused us to not really have much of a core to build around.

    https://247sports.com/college/missis...tball/Commits/

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    We also had some mass exodus and some of those were four stars.
    We are recruiting better but Morris could recruit just couldn't coach.
    LK inherited Corral and Ealy. Sam Williams was a juco who has really developed. Joes last class was not good we lost some DL and OL players off that class then the players we are trying to replace them with are very young.
    We are closer than you would like in talent to USCE than We would like. BUT we are getting better in recruiting

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrapGame View Post
    Yep, KJ and Corral fit their offenses very well. Lebby and Briles weren?t installing totally new offensive schemes.
    And maybe more importantly they weren't true freshmen like Will was last year trying to run it. Really, Will should be a redshirt freshman right now but that makes what he has done even more impressive honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOdawg1 View Post
    I mean okay. You can't blame recruiting and then discredit a legit recruiting site that has consistently shown a correlation between their rankings and where teams actually end up.

    Us, Ark, and OM all have similar talent. Now, OM has the better QB, which sets them apart a little. But the talent is similar.
    This. The 3 of us will always be similar in talent. Last 30 years we've beat om 16 times which means it's almost a draw and probably will be for the foreseeable future. Every time one of us appears to be about to leave the other one behind it just doesn't happen cause we're to similar in talent, same with arky. State, om, arky, uk, usce, Missouri and even Tennessee are all very similar talent wise. Then you have the 6 blue bloods who get higher ranked classes and then Vandy at the dead bottom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Well, to be fair instead of going back three years a better sample would be five. That would cover the juniors and seniors who play the majority of the snaps for most teams and be a little more accurate in general. The results may be similar there too- at least it wouldn't surprise me. But if we look at the make up of the classes ours from five years ago would be the Montez Sweat/Jonathan Abram class that we signed 10 JUCO's or something like that and while I believe we had some hits in that class to like Willie Gay because they left early it caused us to not really have much of a core to build around.

    https://247sports.com/college/missis...tball/Commits/
    Last 5:

    MSU- 25.8
    Ark- 29.8
    OM- 27

    Strengthens my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgfan77 View Post
    We also had some mass exodus and some of those were four stars.
    We are recruiting better but Morris could recruit just couldn't coach.
    LK inherited Corral and Ealy. Sam Williams was a juco who has really developed. Joes last class was not good we lost some DL and OL players off that class then the players we are trying to replace them with are very young.
    We are closer than you would like in talent to USCE than We would like. BUT we are getting better in recruiting
    This was the class that Joe finished off and Dan started. A lot of contributors in it. Not very many studs.

    https://247sports.com/college/missis...tball/Commits/

    To your point this is Joe's first and only real class. It's not too bad- but it's also nothing to brag about. There are some players that don't fit the Air Raid. Cross and Emerson were big pulls.

    https://247sports.com/college/missis...tball/Commits/

    This last class by Joe is potentially very solid. Lots of likely contributors. Whiffed on the DB's outside of Forbes though.

    https://247sports.com/college/missis...tball/Commits/

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