How?

[Dak Holliday]

How did we get passed by OM and Arky in a 2 year span?

[WhiskeyPirate]

Sounds like we need to fire leach or hire the official who called the bogus PI on Fourth down at Arkansas. Has Memphis passed us too ?

[Maroonthirteen]

Recruiting. Those schools recruit better than State. It was obvious last night.

Hell, Moorhead signed a safety that didn't like to tackle and not even the best player on his HS defense. (No longer on the roster)

[KOdawg1]

Recruiting. Those schools recruit better than State. It was obvious last night.

Hell, Moorhead signed a safety that didn't like to tackle and not even the best player on his HS defense. (No longer on the roster)

Not really. If you take the last 3 signing classes from those schools, the average recruiting class is:

MSU-26
Arkansas- 25
OM- 24

[Maroonthirteen]

I don't care what 247 says. I say what I saw last night and in Fayetteville.

Also as I said, one guy that I saw play many times. Was rated a 3*. Naw.

[KOdawg1]

I don't care what 247 says. I say what I saw last night and in Fayetteville.

Also as I said, one guy that I saw play many times. Was rated a 3*. Naw.

I mean okay. You can't blame recruiting and then discredit a legit recruiting site that has consistently shown a correlation between their rankings and where teams actually end up.

Us, Ark, and OM all have similar talent. Now, OM has the better QB, which sets them apart a little. But the talent is similar.

[parabrave]

I mean okay. You can't blame recruiting and then discredit a legit recruiting site that has consistently shown a correlation between their rankings and where teams actually end up.

Us, Ark, and OM all have similar talent. Now, OM has the better QB, which sets them apart a little. But the talent is similar.

They also have the more Experienced QB who is also mobile.

[Todd4State]

I mean okay. You can't blame recruiting and then discredit a legit recruiting site that has consistently shown a correlation between their rankings and where teams actually end up.

Us, Ark, and OM all have similar talent. Now, OM has the better QB, which sets them apart a little. But the talent is similar.

Well, to be fair instead of going back three years a better sample would be five. That would cover the juniors and seniors who play the majority of the snaps for most teams and be a little more accurate in general. The results may be similar there too- at least it wouldn't surprise me. But if we look at the make up of the classes ours from five years ago would be the Montez Sweat/Jonathan Abram class that we signed 10 JUCO's or something like that and while I believe we had some hits in that class to like Willie Gay because they left early it caused us to not really have much of a core to build around.

https://247sports.com/college/missis...tball/Commits/

[NCDawg]

Recruiting. Those schools recruit better than State. It was obvious last night.

Hell, Moorhead signed a safety that didn't like to tackle and not even the best player on his HS defense. (No longer on the roster)

It appeared to me we had two or three D/B's last night that didn't want to tackle.

[Todd4State]

The thumb points at Moorhead. That's partially how. And Dan started having JUCO heavy classes trying to get out of here while not giving a damn about our future which is why our senior day class was like 10 players mostly walk-ons, JUCO's, and transfers.

[Dak Holliday]

Sounds like we need to fire leach or hire the official who called the bogus PI on Fourth down at Arkansas. Has Memphis passed us too ?

It?s a legit question. Do you disagree? 2 years ago, we were heads and shoulders in better shape than both of them. We can?t fire Leach. 3 HC in 4 years would kill the program, but you do realize that we are 0-4 vs them. As I watch this Arky game, I find myself wondering how it went this way so fast. JoMo recruited well per the numbers. Arky was a dumpster fire. OM coming off of probation.

[Todd4State]

It?s a legit question. Do you disagree? 2 years ago, we were heads and shoulders in better shape than both of them. We can?t fire Leach. 3 HC in 4 years would kill the program, but you do realize that we are 0-4 vs them. As I watch this Arky game, I find myself wondering how it went this way so fast. JoMo recruited well per the numbers. Arky was a dumpster fire. OM coming off of probation.

Joe's oldest players on this team are juniors and most are redshirt freshmen or sophomores. Some of them are some of our best players. Of course his last class finished by Leach.

[Todd4State]

It?s a legit question. Do you disagree? 2 years ago, we were heads and shoulders in better shape than both of them. We can?t fire Leach. 3 HC in 4 years would kill the program, but you do realize that we are 0-4 vs them. As I watch this Arky game, I find myself wondering how it went this way so fast. JoMo recruited well per the numbers. Arky was a dumpster fire. OM coming off of probation.

I don't know that the issue is recruiting so much as it is roster management. Both play more upperclassmen than we do. The largest margin of victory for either one of them against us is 10 points in that span. Which was last night. That will probably flip once we're the older team next year.

[WhiskeyPirate]

It?s a legit question. Do you disagree? 2 years ago, we were heads and shoulders in better shape than both of them. We can?t fire Leach. 3 HC in 4 years would kill the program, but you do realize that we are 0-4 vs them. As I watch this Arky game, I find myself wondering how it went this way so fast. JoMo recruited well per the numbers. Arky was a dumpster fire. OM coming off of probation.

Sounds like a travesty

[R2Dawg]

It?s a legit question. Do you disagree? 2 years ago, we were heads and shoulders in better shape than both of them. We can?t fire Leach. 3 HC in 4 years would kill the program, but you do realize that we are 0-4 vs them. As I watch this Arky game, I find myself wondering how it went this way so fast. JoMo recruited well per the numbers. Arky was a dumpster fire. OM coming off of probation.

Wow had not thought about that but you make a good point. 0-4 against teams we used to be better than. Not a good trend if you ask me. Ark went from a joke to a real SEC team in one year and one new HC.

We can't stay there if we do we'll be the cellar of the SECW.

[Todd4State]

We also had a much more drastic change in philosophy than the other two. That's a big factor as well. We went from a run first spread team to the Air Raid. We also were way behind in S&C until Leach came in. That is a big factor a lot of fans forget.

[bulldawg28]

We also had a much more drastic change in philosophy than the other two. That's a big factor as well. We went from a run first spread team to the Air Raid. We also were way behind in S&C until Leach came in. That is a big factor a lot of fans forget.

I believe this is the answer. The others tweaked what they were doing not total changes.

[TrapGame]

We also had a much more drastic change in philosophy than the other two. That's a big factor as well. We went from a run first spread team to the Air Raid. We also were way behind in S&C until Leach came in. That is a big factor a lot of fans forget.

Yep, KJ and Corral fit their offenses very well. Lebby and Briles weren?t installing totally new offensive schemes.

[Todd4State]

Yep, KJ and Corral fit their offenses very well. Lebby and Briles weren?t installing totally new offensive schemes.

And maybe more importantly they weren't true freshmen like Will was last year trying to run it. Really, Will should be a redshirt freshman right now but that makes what he has done even more impressive honestly.

[Dawgfan77]

We also had some mass exodus and some of those were four stars.
We are recruiting better but Morris could recruit just couldn't coach.
LK inherited Corral and Ealy. Sam Williams was a juco who has really developed. Joes last class was not good we lost some DL and OL players off that class then the players we are trying to replace them with are very young.
We are closer than you would like in talent to USCE than We would like. BUT we are getting better in recruiting