The Reason I wouldn't Extend Mike Leach

[Randolph Dupree]

Gonna take some heat for this but here goes

If I'm Cohen I don't give Leach an extension. Reason being, I expect to beat (teams like) Memphis every year. I expect to beat Mississippi every year.

The argument: but we beat A&M and Auburn (I expect to beat UK BTW) this year as upsets.

Rebuttal: we are 50/50 vs A&M and Auburn since 2010ish and I expect to win those half the time. Yes, they were favored but they are always favored. Historically, Since 2010ish we beat them 50% of the time so
you're keeping pace there.

Argument: it will hurt recruiting

Rebuttal: you could step that up too.

Note: I believe we're heading in the right direction but sometimes you need to draw the line.

[MetEdDawg]

You are wrong.

You can't expect to beat Ole Miss every year. I can expect the delivery man to give me $100 every day. Doesn't mean it's going to happen or should happen or is reasonable. You can expect to beat a Memphis every year. I'm cool with that. But even the elite teams don't win their rivalry game every year. So expecting that is ridiculous.

Leach gets an extension because he's shown improvement and beat 3 ranked teams. Recruiting is in a good spot and he's changed the culture to one that consistently competes and never quits. We have a tough football program right now and that's directly related to Mike Leach.

He gets an extension.

[Randolph Dupree]

You are wrong.

You can't expect to beat Ole Miss every year. I can expect the delivery man to give me $100 every day. Doesn't mean it's going to happen or should happen or is reasonable. You can expect to beat a Memphis every year. I'm cool with that. But even the elite teams don't win their rivalry game every year. So expecting that is ridiculous.

Leach gets an extension because he's shown improvement and beat 3 ranked teams. Recruiting is in a good spot and he's changed the culture to one that consistently competes and never quits. We have a tough football program right now and that's directly related to Mike Leach.

He gets an extension.

I don't realistically expect to win against UM every year, not even every other year; but you need to build up some credit first. Leach hasn't done that. I do agree that everything is headed in the right direction but there a lot of work to in recruiting (I think we get there)...I believe you need to set expectations and money talks.

[MetEdDawg]

I don't realistically expect to win against UM every year, not even every other year; but you need to build up some credit first. Leach hasn't done that. I do agree that everything is headed in the right direction but there a lot of work to in recruiting (I think we get there)...I believe you need to set expectations and money talks.

If this game meant as much as you think it does, Moorhead would still be our coach.

What our program looks like in its entirety is far more important.

Leach in 2 years took the mess Moorhead left us and has turned us into a program that has 3 ranked wins, went undefeated on the road in the SEC, has a team that refuses to quit, and is winning recruiting battles. Plus his sophomore Qb just rewrote every passing record in our school's history and will have him 2nd all time in passing yards in a season in the SEC.

Dude proved it can work here and has a program that's tough and competes every week. It's going to take more than 2 years to undo what Moorhead did. But Leach ha done a hell of a job getting it to where it needs to be. We were picked by basics every major publication to finish last in the west and we played a game tonight that would have given us 2nd place.

Did we mess up this year? Sure. Hopefully we learn from it and see changes in the right spots. But the future is bright under Leach.

[Activated Alpha]

If this game meant as much as you think it does, Moorhead would still be our coach.

What our program looks like in its entirety is far more important.

Leach in 2 years took the mess Moorhead left us and has turned us into a program that has 3 ranked wins, went undefeated on the road in the SEC, has a team that refuses to quit, and is winning recruiting battles. Plus his sophomore Qb just rewrote every passing record in our school's history and will have him 2nd all time in passing yards in a season in the SEC.

Dude proved it can work here and has a program that's tough and competes every week. It's going to take more than 2 years to undo what Moorhead did. But Leach ha done a hell of a job getting it to where it needs to be. We were picked by basics every major publication to finish last in the west and we played a game tonight that would have given us 2nd place.

Did we mess up this year? Sure. Hopefully we learn from it and see changes in the right spots. But the future is bright under Leach.

We weren?t undefeated on the road btw

[Randolph Dupree]

If this game meant as much as you think it does, Moorhead would still be our coach.

What our program looks like in its entirety is far more important.

Leach in 2 years took the mess Moorhead left us and has turned us into a program that has 3 ranked wins, went undefeated on the road in the SEC, has a team that refuses to quit, and is winning recruiting battles. Plus his sophomore Qb just rewrote every passing record in our school's history and will have him 2nd all time in passing yards in a season in the SEC.

Dude proved it can work here and has a program that's tough and competes every week. It's going to take more than 2 years to undo what Moorhead did. But Leach ha done a hell of a job getting it to where it needs to be. We were picked by basics every major publication to finish last in the west and we played a game tonight that would have given us 2nd place.

Did we mess up this year? Sure. Hopefully we learn from it and see changes in the right spots. But the future is bright under Leach.

Dude, we're picked last every year. Yea we messed up, I'm not saying dude didn't do a decent
Job. What I'm saying is for $5M leach needs to step it up and win what he's supposed to and pull an upset here or there. ...Pretty much what we hired him to do. Not saying you fire him. Hell, LSU sucks ass this year, not penalizing him for losing that...

[Liverpooldawg]

If this game meant as much as you think it does, Moorhead would still be our coach.

What our program looks like in its entirety is far more important.

Leach in 2 years took the mess Moorhead left us and has turned us into a program that has 3 ranked wins, went undefeated on the road in the SEC, has a team that refuses to quit, and is winning recruiting battles. Plus his sophomore Qb just rewrote every passing record in our school's history and will have him 2nd all time in passing yards in a season in the SEC.

Dude proved it can work here and has a program that's tough and competes every week. It's going to take more than 2 years to undo what Moorhead did. But Leach ha done a hell of a job getting it to where it needs to be. We were picked by basics every major publication to finish last in the west and we played a game tonight that would have given us 2nd place.

Did we mess up this year? Sure. Hopefully we learn from it and see changes in the right spots. But the future is bright under Leach.

The thing is, Joe won both of his games against the Confederate bastards. He had moved beyond them, for a year or so at least. Leach has yet to do it even ONCE, the absolute prerequisite to doing anything at all at MSU. If Leach doesn't beat them next year, he HAS to go. Anyone that would defend him if we lose to them next year does NOT have MSU's best interest at heart.

[Percho]

If this game meant as much as you think it does, Moorhead would still be our coach.

What our program looks like in its entirety is far more important.

Leach in 2 years took the mess Moorhead left us and has turned us into a program that has 3 ranked wins, went undefeated on the road in the SEC, has a team that refuses to quit, and is winning recruiting battles. Plus his sophomore Qb just rewrote every passing record in our school's history and will have him 2nd all time in passing yards in a season in the SEC.

Dude proved it can work here and has a program that's tough and competes every week. It's going to take more than 2 years to undo what Moorhead did. But Leach ha done a hell of a job getting it to where it needs to be. We were picked by basics every major publication to finish last in the west and we played a game tonight that would have given us 2nd place.

Did we mess up this year? Sure. Hopefully we learn from it and see changes in the right spots. But the future is bright under Leach.

And I will add, I believe Covid really hindered us because the system is so rep dependent and I bet we missed a lot of reps last year.

[donald igwebuike]

This is pretty much the best post on ED in like 15.4 months. This team requires patience to build.

[WhiskeyPirate]

This is pretty much the best post on ED in like 15.4 months. This team requires patience to build.

Exactly

So much of a coaching transition is what did the roster look like before you take the job and what system did they run. When leach, Pittman, drinkwitz and Kiffin were all being interviewed......I guarantee much of the decision-especially by Kiffin- was what do they have on the roster, how easy and quick is the turnaround going to be. Arkansas was a mess. They got Pittman to take it but leach and Kiffin said no, and IMO it was because they wanted more money to turn around a dumpster fire.

So you have to give them time to implement their system and get their players.

Kiffin would not being doing as well as Pittman at Arkansas IMO. Take Corrall away from ole miss and you’ll start to see a lot of problems with that team.

[Liverpooldawg]

You are wrong.

You can't expect to beat Ole Miss every year. I can expect the delivery man to give me $100 every day. Doesn't mean it's going to happen or should happen or is reasonable. You can expect to beat a Memphis every year. I'm cool with that. But even the elite teams don't win their rivalry game every year. So expecting that is ridiculous.

Leach gets an extension because he's shown improvement and beat 3 ranked teams. Recruiting is in a good spot and he's changed the culture to one that consistently competes and never quits. We have a tough football program right now and that's directly related to Mike Leach.

He gets an extension.

I wouldn't. I agree we can't expect to beat UM EVERY year. But he has YET to beat them. We can't fire him this year, but you DAMN sure don't reward him for having NEVER beaten the Confederate bastards. He should NEVER get an extension till he beats them.

[MetEdDawg]

I wouldn't. I agree we can't expect to beat UM EVERY year. But he has YET to beat them. We can't fire him this year, but you DAMN sure don't reward him for having NEVER beaten the Confederate bastards. He should NEVER get an extension till he beats them.

This is such a bad take. So if he goes 9-3 or 10-2 with a loss to them, no extension? We fire him? Because we were about 6 points away from that being a reality this year.

The amount of ridiculousness that pops up after losses is mind blowing. If we go 5-7 next year but beat Ole Miss, will that make you happier?

People calling for him to never get an extension until he beats Ole Miss have zero clue about how this stuff works. Yeah let's set a precedent! That will teach him to value this game more! Yeah no extension unless you win this game!

I would take 10-2 every year for the next 5 years with Egg Bowl losses every year than 7-5 or 8-4 and we win some Egg Bowls. This game is important, but it's not nearly as important as some of y'all are making it out to be.

[Liverpooldawg]

This is such a bad take. So if he goes 9-3 or 10-2 with a loss to them, no extension? We fire him? Because we were about 6 points away from that being a reality this year.

The amount of ridiculousness that pops up after losses is mind blowing. If we go 5-7 next year but beat Ole Miss, will that make you happier?

People calling for him to never get an extension until he beats Ole Miss have zero clue about how this stuff works. Yeah let's set a precedent! That will teach him to value this game more! Yeah no extension unless you win this game!

I would take 10-2 every year for the next 5 years with Egg Bowl losses every year than 7-5 or 8-4 and we win some Egg Bowls. This game is important, but it's not nearly as important as some of y'all are making it out to be.

LOL, no you wouldn't, not if you live in Mississippi and are old enough to remember what losing to them year after year means. I know you actually mean what you said intellectually. But if you ACTUALLY think that through......Emotionally, esp if you live in Mississippi, you would change your tune long before that happened. REALISTICLY, if that were to happen, it would probably mean much more misery than just 5 straight. They would freaking OWN head to head recruiting in Mississippi if it happened. Your statement is just damn nuts.

[MetEdDawg]

LOL, no you wouldn't, not if you live in Mississippi and are old enough to remember what losing to them year after year means. I know you actually mean what you said intellectually. But if you ACTUALLY think that through......Emotionally, esp if you live in Mississippi, you would change your tune long before that happened. REALISTICLY, if that were to happen, it would probably mean much more misery than just 5 straight. They would freaking OWN head to head recruiting in Mississippi if it happened. Your statement is just damn nuts.

I'll tell you what's nuts. Placing a mans career on 1 game no matter what he does prior. You're telling me that being 10-2 and losing to Ole Miss is a fireable offense at MSU. That's absolutely crazy.

Do I want to win this game badly? Absolutely. But if you're context is screw everyone else win this game next year or you're fired no matter what, then I don't know what to tell you.

All of you guys clamoring fire the hell out of everybody usually don't have to do that in real life and don't have to deal with the repercussions of having to do that. You can't just always fire everybody. But some wanted to keep Moorhead because he beat OM even though our program was a dumpster fire. I'll take Leach every day over Moorhead.

If we suck next year and lose the Egg Bowl then this is a different discussion. But don't act like you would really fire a coach that goes 9-3 at MSU with an Egg Bowl loss because you wouldn't.

[DAWG1903]

This is such a bad take. So if he goes 9-3 or 10-2 with a loss to them, no extension? We fire him? Because we were about 6 points away from that being a reality this year.

The amount of ridiculousness that pops up after losses is mind blowing. If we go 5-7 next year but beat Ole Miss, will that make you happier?

People calling for him to never get an extension until he beats Ole Miss have zero clue about how this stuff works. Yeah let's set a precedent! That will teach him to value this game more! Yeah no extension unless you win this game!

I would take 10-2 every year for the next 5 years with Egg Bowl losses every year than 7-5 or 8-4 and we win some Egg Bowls. This game is important, but it's not nearly as important as some of y'all are making it out to be.

This all day everyday! For us to improve our overall Football Program - it has to be bigger than TSUN. Otherwise we are just who they say we are "Little Brother."

[Percho]

This is such a bad take. So if he goes 9-3 or 10-2 with a loss to them, no extension? We fire him? Because we were about 6 points away from that being a reality this year.

The amount of ridiculousness that pops up after losses is mind blowing. If we go 5-7 next year but beat Ole Miss, will that make you happier?

People calling for him to never get an extension until he beats Ole Miss have zero clue about how this stuff works. Yeah let's set a precedent! That will teach him to value this game more! Yeah no extension unless you win this game!

I would take 10-2 every year for the next 5 years with Egg Bowl losses every year than 7-5 or 8-4 and we win some Egg Bowls. This game is important, but it's not nearly as important as some of y'all are making it out to be.

If old Liver was AD we would have a new FB coach every two years. In about six to eight years we would be down to Hud.

[Quaoarsking]

Every retained head coach should always get an extension. You don't send a public message of unconfidence like that.

[ScoobaDawg]

Every retained head coach should always get an extension. You don't send a public message of unconfidence like that.

Exactly. The 4 year ms limit already works against us enough.

[bigplayslay]

Gonna take some heat for this but here goes

If I'm Cohen I don't give Leach an extension. Reason being, I expect to beat (teams like) Memphis every year. I expect to beat Mississippi every year.

The argument: but we beat A&M and Auburn (I expect to beat UK BTW) this year as upsets.

Rebuttal: we are 50/50 vs A&M and Auburn since 2010ish and I expect to win those half the time. Yes, they were favored but they are always favored. Historically, Since 2010ish we beat them 50% of the time so
you're keeping pace there.

Argument: it will hurt recruiting

Rebuttal: you could step that up too.

Note: I believe we're heading in the right direction but sometimes you need to draw the line.

Pretty dumb post tbh. We got straight cheated out of the Memphis game and we dropped 3 touchdown passes and missed 2 field goals tonight. Not to mention lashley forgot how to block.

[Randolph Dupree]

Pretty dumb post tbh. We got straight cheated out of the Memphis game and we dropped 3 touchdown passes and missed 2 field goals tonight. Not to mention lashley forgot how to block.

Lashley hasn't blocked all year and is a penalty machine, but he's the best we have there. Can't leave Memphis up to the refs.