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    Quote Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson View Post
    We have the worst fans in college basketball. Sure it was a bad loss, but everyone has bad losses in college basketball. Period.

    #10 ranked Alabama lost at home last night to Iona.
    It's not the loss. Like everything else MSU, it's how we looked doing it. We have too much talent to be a boring assed team that can't break 60. It is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Effin howland didn't go undefeated!

    Maybe we should at least see us play 5-6 sec games before we make judgements
    Maybe just maybe, early indications that follow years of the same ole issues we face on offense, is a clear indicator to how the season is going to play out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I don't think we're a 33% shooting team. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm chalking this one up to a bad night.
    Bad nights, that fit the time proven criticism of his coaching style is an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead View Post
    Maybe just maybe, early indications that follow years of the same ole issues we face on offense, is a clear indicator to how the season is going to play out.
    We've just added smith and rocket to a basic overhauled roster. Basketball requires guys to play together some to figure it out imo

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    The bad shooting last night doesn't really bother me. I think that was probably a fluke. It was our inability to solve their defense or to compete in the paint that took the air out of my sales. That reeks of past years under Howland, and as many people have pointed out, I see no reason for that to change. He is what he is. Maybe the players will figure it out for themselves, but that's asking a lot. That's the coach's job. It just kills me to think about this team underachieving the way so many others have just because we have a coach that can't figure out how to make the most of what he's got. But that said, I really do like these players, so maybe there's still hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NCMSTFAN View Post
    We shot 49% from the field and 38% from three against Morehead, 59% from the field and 50% from three against Detroit, 52% from the field and 50% from three against Montana, and 48% from the field and 33% from three against North Alabama.... I know those teams are lesser competition but we have shooters and scorers on this team.. it was a bad shooting night, it happens, if it continues going forward we have issues but I would chalk this one up as a bad shooting night
    You must not have watched the whole game. There was way more going on than just bad shooting. And there was a reason for the bad shooting.

    Tolu hasn't played a game in a about a year. Why start him in his first game back against a quality opponent? That's a poor coaching decision. I'm very worried about forcing Tolu and Brooks on the floor together. Those guys are 5's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    If our plan is to turn Brooks into our primary 4 then I'm very concerned.
    That’s been the plan all along and the reason he transferred. We were always going to play him at 4 and Tolu at the 5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    That’s been the plan all along and the reason he transferred. We were always going to play him at 4 and Tolu at the 5
    Then it's the NIT for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    You must not have watched the whole game. There was way more going on than just bad shooting. And there was a reason for the bad shooting.

    Tolu hasn't played a game in a about a year. Why start him in his first game back against a quality opponent? That's a poor coaching decision. I'm very worried about forcing Tolu and Brooks on the floor together. Those guys are 5's.
    I watched the 1st half, it was a bad game period, games like this happen but you can't shoot the ball like that and win no matter who you are playing against. As I said in another post I'm not sold on Tolu and Brooks playing together yet either... I have to see more games before I make a decision on that. But they can both score and rebound and that can be a problem for other teams. Howland just has to figure a way to make it work, that's why he gets paid what he does

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    Dayton, who lost to umass Lowell, lipscomb, and Austin peay, just beat #4 Kansas. Perhaps judging teams by 1 game early in the season isn't an exact science

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    If our plan is to turn Brooks into our primary 4 then I'm very concerned.
    It appears that way. I think that is how we get these players. Howland promises to make Jeffries a guard and Brooks a 4. Why do big men want to play like small players? That seems to be the trend with top players coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Dayton, who lost to umass Lowell, lipscomb, and Austin peay, just beat #4 Kansas. Perhaps judging teams by 1 game early in the season isn't an exact science
    Exactly, I know we played bad, missed a ton of shots and basically got bullied around.. but its one game.. learn from it and move forward. We still have a ton of talent on this team

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Dayton, who lost to umass Lowell, lipscomb, and Austin peay, just beat #4 Kansas. Perhaps judging teams by 1 game early in the season isn't an exact science
    Bill Self is obviously stuck in the 80s and the game has passed him by.

    State needs to hire the next young and upcoming coach that never loses a game. I am sure when we get him he will be impressed with our fan base that doesn't care about basketball yet bitch about it every time we lose and our impressive 4/5 empty arena for big home games.

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    The game was played in Baha Mar Convention, Arts & Entertainment Center with a low ceiling. Maybe our players, unlike Louisville, could not adjust to that venue? Howland has a lot of pieces to work with and last night none of our players actually had a good game. One early season loss to a good team, does not mean fire Cohen and Howland, but some will probably have that mentality.
    Last edited by yjnkdawg; 11-26-2021 at 05:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R2Dawg View Post
    It appears that way. I think that is how we get these players. Howland promises to make Jeffries a guard and Brooks a 4. Why do big men want to play like small players? That seems to be the trend with top players coming here.

    Because that is apparently where their best potential is at the next level. If Howland hadn't made those promises, neither would have transferred here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yjnkdawg View Post
    Because that is apparently where their best potential is at the next level. If Howland hadn't made those promises, neither would have transferred here.
    I agree and certain players get promises in the recruiting process all the time. Its not uncommon

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    Quote Originally Posted by yjnkdawg View Post
    The game was played in Baha Mar Convention, Arts & Entertainment Center with a low ceiling. Maybe our players, unlike Louisville, could not adjust to that venue? Howland has a lot of pieces to work with and last night none of our players actually had a good game. One early season loss to a good team, does not mean fire Cohen and Howland, but some will probably have that mentality.
    I?d be willing to keep Howland another year if we could fire Cohen. But we have to replace him with someone who understands the importance of the Full Fan Experience!

    Smoot for AD!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CadaverDawg View Post
    It's not the loss. Like everything else MSU, it's how we looked doing it. We have too much talent to be a boring assed team that can't break 60. It is what it is.
    It's also not just this loss. It's that we do this sh*t every year. This is a consistent pattern under Howland. This team will probably start playing up to their potential at the end of the season, but by then we'll have ruined our chances for the tournament, or at least a good enough seed to have a good run in the tournament. The early season matters in basketball too, and we're never prepared.

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    Howland is not getting fired anytime soon. He would need to really blow it and go like 6-12 or worse in the SEC which I don?t think will happen just based on talent alone. I think we go 10-3 in non conference and 10-8 in SEC and we get in as about a 9 or 10 seed.

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    Bottom line is losses like the ones to Louisville are what keep you out come selection Sunday.

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