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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Membership in the SEC pays the bills, not football. Without that, our football program wouldn't pay the bills either - we proved that from 1960 -1990 when conference alignment barely mattered and TV money was a non-factor. Without SEC membership we would be USM, and you see their decline over the past 2-3 decades. Within the SEC power structure we are and will likely always be 2nd tier in football, and battling to stay out of 3rd tier. That's just facts. Frankly, Ole Miss is in that same boat as well they just delude themselves into not believing it. No extra cruitin', and no extra commitment from the university will change that. We literally saw the result of being as "all in" in football under Dan Mullen as we have ever been. It got us a nice story in 2014 and within 2 years we back to our grades making us bowl eligible. We all enjoyed it, and I believe that we will never be as inept and complacent about football as we were from 2002 - 2008 - but thinking that we stand a chance of becoming a football power is a fools errand.

    That is why we put so much emphasis on Baseball - it is a sport where we are elite and we have always competed at a very high level. If investing there means continued winning, continued championships, and cements a reputation as not just "a" but "the" baseball school of the SEC I'm perfectly good with that.
    Agree. And this appears to be reflected in the way we support baseball vs football. We can only get 53k in a 62k stadium for a night game with perfect weather against Bama with us coming off a huge win. And 10k of those were Bama fans. Same for a home game against LSU. Our fanbase doesn't really care about football honestly. Not enough to show up and make a difference at least.

    We'd rather just complain on a message board.

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    Hate my take all you want, but State is and will always be a Baseball school. If you think that Football pays the bills then bud you need a class in economics. You are saying that 6 games, 6 games a year generate for money than a baseball season? Sure you can get more seats in the stands but baseball makes just as much money in half a season and a couple of good weekend series revenue as football makes its entire year. And yes, as stated before, SEC is who funds our football program. Every win we get in that sport is a bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentSteel16 View Post
    Hate my take all you want, but State is and will always be a Baseball school. If you think that Football pays the bills then bud you need a class in economics. You are saying that 6 games, 6 games a year generate for money than a baseball season? Sure you can get more seats in the stands but baseball makes just as much money in half a season and a couple of good weekend series revenue as football makes its entire year. And yes, as stated before, SEC is who funds our football program. Every win we get in that sport is a bonus.
    Baseball makes a little money- football makes much more. Basketball and the non-revenue sports are the drain for us. Women's basketball being the biggest drain. But yes- in the end- SEC money pays the bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentSteel16 View Post
    Hate my take all you want, but State is and will always be a Baseball school. If you think that Football pays the bills then bud you need a class in economics. You are saying that 6 games, 6 games a year generate for money than a baseball season? Sure you can get more seats in the stands but baseball makes just as much money in half a season and a couple of good weekend series revenue as football makes its entire year. And yes, as stated before, SEC is who funds our football program. Every win we get in that sport is a bonus.
    Sir I'd go back to economics if I was you.... we clear much much more than baseball. If you think differently I can't help you. We can make more money in one football game than we can in a weekend series. Fact are facts sir

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    Take this past natty out of the equation so no recency bias. We have what 6 home games a year? DWS holds 55k even though we never get more than 40k the Dude can hold up to 14k so let’s say 11k average. One weekend series is 33k which basically is really close to one home game at DWS. State has how many home series a season? Not to mention 5k for mid week games. I guarantee you that the M over S brand generates more apparel sales than the M banner. If you don’t think our National brand is not M over S than you are wrong. To say that football is what butters States bread you are wrong. Just look at the stadiums and see what State thinks is a priority. The Dude is a major league level stadium. DWS is not an NFL stadium.

    I am not knocking our football team but you have to realize we are college baseball not college football and that is fine. Alabama is college football and not college baseball. South Carolina is college WBB nothing else. The best overall program in the SEC all sports is probably LSU. Vandy is another baseball example. Do you see the point? Just about all D1 schools have 1 sport they expect to truly compete in. Ours in baseball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentSteel16 View Post
    Take this past natty out of the equation so no recency bias. We have what 6 home games a year? DWS holds 55k even though we never get more than 40k the Dude can hold up to 14k so let’s say 11k average. One weekend series is 33k which basically is really close to one home game at DWS. State has how many home series a season? Not to mention 5k for mid week games. I guarantee you that the M over S brand generates more apparel sales than the M banner. If you don’t think our National brand is not M over S than you are wrong. To say that football is what butters States bread you are wrong. Just look at the stadiums and see what State thinks is a priority. The Dude is a major league level stadium. DWS is not an NFL stadium.

    I am not knocking our football team but you have to realize we are college baseball not college football and that is fine. Alabama is college football and not college baseball. South Carolina is college WBB nothing else. The best overall program in the SEC all sports is probably LSU. Vandy is another baseball example. Do you see the point? Just about all D1 schools have 1 sport they expect to truly compete in. Ours in baseball.
    I'm telling you- baseball makes a little money. Football makes alot of money.

    A huge SEC weekend in baseball makes 200K. A football home game makes close to a million or more.

    Baseball tickets cost $10. Football tickets cost a helluva lot more. Just look at Scoreboard Club, Gridiron Club, and 50 yard line ticket costs.
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    Good deal on tickets, just glad to know our bell cow program has as many division and sec championships as our baseball team has national titles… oh and we have a winning record against 4 sec opponents. And 2 of those are .500 so one loss and poof. So yeah we should win 10 games a year and complain when we don’t make 8 wins because we have traditionally been that 8-10 win conference championship team.. right?

    This all started when someone said we were not a baseball school, which we are. Tickets prices be what they may. It is due to pour baseball team why we are still in the SEC. because we are that guaranteed win the other school are talking about. If you can’t find 5 guarantee conference wins on your schedule, you are that team on others schedules. Just a fact of life boys, football wise we are mid tier holding on to SEC SKIRTS, baseball we are not that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentSteel16 View Post
    Good deal on tickets, just glad to know our bell cow program has as many division and sec championships as our baseball team has national titles… oh and we have a winning record against 4 sec opponents. And 2 of those are .500 so one loss and poof. So yeah we should win 10 games a year and complain when we don’t make 8 wins because we have traditionally been that 8-10 win conference championship team.. right?

    This all started when someone said we were not a baseball school, which we are. Tickets prices be what they may. It is due to pour baseball team why we are still in the SEC. because we are that guaranteed win the other school are talking about. If you can’t find 5 guarantee conference wins on your schedule, you are that team on others schedules. Just a fact of life boys, football wise we are mid tier holding on to SEC SKIRTS, baseball we are not that.
    Dont get salty with me- I'm on your side for the most part. We are one of the few baseball programs in the country that makes money. Thats a credit to us. We are a blue-blood in baseball that finally hit it with the exclamation point.

    But football pays alot of bills. Even in bad years our football program makes millions. Football stirs the drink.
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    Our baseball program put us on the map and keeps us on the map. While we are definitely not a sec blue blood in football we have managed to claw our way up to becoming a mid tier level sec team over the last decade. For years we were a bottom feeder but have made progress over the last decade. We have gained some respectability. Baby steps I know but steps nonetheless

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Dont get salty with me- I'm on your side for the most part. We are one of the few baseball programs in the country that makes money. Thats a credit to us. We are a blue-blood in baseball that finally hit it with the exclamation point.

    But football pays alot of bills. Even in bad years our football program makes millions. Football stirs the drink.

    To be perfectly honest, with exception to the first sentence of the ticket sales, you (C34) were not my intended target.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    Our baseball program put us on the map and keeps us on the map. While we are definitely not a sec blue blood in football we have managed to claw our way up to becoming a mid tier level sec team over the last decade. For years we were a bottom feeder but have made progress over the last decade. We have gained some respectability. Baby steps I know but steps nonetheless
    Somewhat 24, we were in the mid level, but the last two years (so far) ain't looking good for as being mid level, I'd say we have taken a big step backwards. But it is what it is as we always seem to be taking a step forward only to take two backwards. We've had some nice runs especially keeping the bowl streak alive.....excuse me as I cough with 4 wins last year. LOL

    I don't believe this system can sustain any consistency, just way to much speed and good coaching on defense for a one dimensional team. Good teams find a way to score, be physical and be creative in the red zone, we have neither, just poor judgement.

    Let me add, I've been a huge supporter of Msu since the early 70's, I've supported pretty much every Coach, but I'm not a fan of the Pirate but I still love Msu and pull for us, I just don't believe in his system. We've never been loaded with wide receivers and QB's dying to come to StarkVegas, look at recruiting, it's about the same as the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentSteel16 View Post
    To be perfectly honest, with exception to the first sentence of the ticket sales, you (C34) were not my intended target.
    Your intended target understands the economic value of a home game in football over a series or more in baseball. We also seat 62K in football just FYI.
    Don't get me wrong im happy about the Natty in Baseball, but don't try and tell us well let's just forget about football and just be a baseball school. That's ludicrous and that's the point you were making. We making damn near 2 million on a home football game and that's not counting the sky boxes, the club level scoreboard level donations.
    All im saying is try to understand the economic value in college athletics that football presents

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    If any of you are interested, there is a great website that breaks down university/athletic/football spending and overall revenues for every D1 program - http://cafidatabase.knightcommission...itution_data-2

    The data is from 2005 - 2019, and is pretty informative.
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