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    You sound like an Ole Miss fan. Maybe you're on the wrong forum..
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    He isn?t a Lib so he has to pay the price. The shit our President has said over the years and he is still President proves this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmuti View Post
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    Yep, us knuckle draggin racist cave folk growin weary of duh hate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BayouDawg View Post
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    there's a lot of bad offtopic posting going on in this thread to cover up for the fact that you really shouldnt send slur-filled emails out from your work account to other people at work. thats not exactly socialism

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmuti View Post
    there's a lot of bad offtopic posting going on in this thread to cover up for the fact that you really shouldnt send slur-filled emails out from your work account to other people at work. thats not exactly socialism
    No- it's the hypocrisy of the NFL. Gruden said some things he shouldnt have but the NFL employs people that have been arrested for all kinds of crimes yet still have jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmuti View Post
    there's a lot of bad offtopic posting going on in this thread to cover up for the fact that you really shouldnt send slur-filled emails out from your work account to other people at work. thats not exactly socialism
    Are there emails to his coworkers too? And he sent them from his ESPN account? I did not realize that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    Are there emails to his coworkers too? And he sent them from his ESPN account? I did not realize that.
    Pretty sure I read that his emails only got flagged because the person he was messaging was under investigation by the NFL, so that's why he came under their radar, fwiw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    Pretty sure I read that his emails only got flagged because the person he was messaging was under investigation by the NFL, so that's why he came under their radar, fwiw.
    Yeah correction(Washington football team)were under investigation for impropriety of some sort and the nfl had gathered some 650,000 emails when they found chucky's emails to Bruce Allen

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    No- it's the hypocrisy of the NFL. Gruden said some things he shouldnt have but the NFL employs people that have been arrested for all kinds of crimes yet still have jobs.
    What-about-ism is a bad hill to not do anything on. It is a fair critique that both Gruden and several others should be gone. Dan Snyder absolutely should not be walking the streets a free man. But him walking free doesn't mean Gruden gets a free pass either.

    If your point is the cancel culture mad dog should be aimed at Snyder and several others next, I agree. If your point is that it's not fair that the cancel culture mad dog should have aimed at others first, you're not necessarily wrong, but unfortunately we don't live in a utopia where policing people goes in order from the top down. It's unfortunately super randomly aimed. So it drives conversation nowhere to have whataboutism. Ideally, yes, Snyder should fall first. Tyreek Hill and Kareem Hunt should probably never play a snap again. But arguing that point in defense of Gruden and saying Gruden shouldn't have been cut out until they were because the standard is unfair is somewhat equivalent to saying you can't punish a rapist until you punish the murderer. Just seems like you're arguing in bad faith and aligning yourself with someone who by all purposes is a dipshit to put that in writing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    No- it's the hypocrisy of the NFL. Gruden said some things he shouldnt have but the NFL employs people that have been arrested for all kinds of crimes yet still have jobs.
    Well, Kap doesn't have a job...and he didn't kill or choke anyone, lol....he's out of a job because he's a dumb ass who's value doesn't compute with the hassle he'll bring to the table. The NFL is a business. This isn't a Con vs Lib game they're playing. They make decisions (often gambles) on what they think is the appropriate path forward. We all can discuss/disagree with all of that, but it is what it is. As I already said, I didn't even think Gruden should be punished for the emails that were initially leaked. Granted a lot more have apparently come out (I haven't read them, btw, so I don't really know how "bad" they may be), but obviously a decision was made. It's also worth noting that he resigned, not fired, though in the end I suppose it doesn't really matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    Yeah correction(Washington football team)were under investigation for impropriety of some sort and the nfl had gathered some 650,000 emails when they found chucky's emails to Bruce Allen
    That's it. Thanks, CC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    No- it's the hypocrisy of the NFL. Gruden said some things he shouldnt have but the NFL employs people that have been arrested for all kinds of crimes yet still have jobs.
    you embarrass the shield at your own risk. no hypocrisy there. did these legions of arrestees send emails or other electronic records calling various parties slurs? does not appear so QED

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tater View Post
    What-about-ism is a bad hill to not do anything on. It is a fair critique that both Gruden and several others should be gone. Dan Snyder absolutely should not be walking the streets a free man. But him walking free doesn't mean Gruden gets a free pass either.

    If your point is the cancel culture mad dog should be aimed at Snyder and several others next, I agree. If your point is that it's not fair that the cancel culture mad dog should have aimed at others first, you're not necessarily wrong, but unfortunately we don't live in a utopia where policing people goes in order from the top down. It's unfortunately super randomly aimed. So it drives conversation nowhere to have whataboutism. Ideally, yes, Snyder should fall first. Tyreek Hill and Kareem Hunt should probably never play a snap again. But arguing that point in defense of Gruden and saying Gruden shouldn't have been cut out until they were because the standard is unfair is somewhat equivalent to saying you can't punish a rapist until you punish the murderer. Just seems like you're arguing in bad faith and aligning yourself with someone who by all purposes is a dipshit to put that in writing.
    My problem is the way his emails have been portrayed. People are calling his email about the NFLPU rep racist without any solid evidence. The guys lips are massive. It's a little juvenile to make fun of somebody's appearance, but the fact that some racists like to stereotype a particular physical feature shouldn't damn somebody making a comment on an individual. A coworker of mine got lip injections and she looked awful, and I certainly thought, even if I didn't say it, that her lips looked huge. If she had been african american, I don't think it would have occurred to me that it was somehow racist to notice that her lips were abnormally large. Gruden certainly could be a racist, but I don't think him criticizing an individual african american's looks really justifies calling him that without some supporting evidence.

    On referring to Michael Sams as queer, I'm sure Gruden didn't mean it in a nice way, but that's not exactly a verboten word. Lots of people identify as queer and use it in a non-derogatory way (and did so in the 2000's).

    I'm guessing that his emails probably have worse in them, and that's whey he is resigning and he's hoping they won't become public, but that's just a guess. I certainly wouldnt' trust the people reviewing them to portray them accurately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    My problem is the way his emails have been portrayed. People are calling his email about the NFLPU rep racist without any solid evidence. The guys lips are massive. It's a little juvenile to make fun of somebody's appearance, but the fact that some racists like to stereotype a particular physical feature shouldn't damn somebody making a comment on an individual. A coworker of mine got lip injections and she looked awful, and I certainly thought, even if I didn't say it, that her lips looked huge. If she had been african american, I don't think it would have occurred to me that it was somehow racist to notice that her lips were abnormally large. Gruden certainly could be a racist, but I don't think him criticizing an individual african american's looks really justifies calling him that without some supporting evidence.

    On referring to Michael Sams as queer, I'm sure Gruden didn't mean it in a nice way, but that's not exactly a verboten word. Lots of people identify as queer and use it in a non-derogatory way (and did so in the 2000's).

    I'm guessing that his emails probably have worse in them, and that's whey he is resigning and he's hoping they won't become public, but that's just a guess. I certainly wouldnt' trust the people reviewing them to portray them accurately.
    you're really going with the "mocking a black man for having big lips aint racist" defense? its one of the oldest and most pernicious racist tropes in the game, my dude, and you know it

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardoMSU View Post
    Haha, fair point on Indiana Jones...though I will add that his actions are quite representative of how archaeology was done during that time.
    Indiana Jones does not think Black Lives Matter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Federalist Engineer View Post
    Indiana Jones does not think Black Lives Matter.

    That scene was actually improvised by Harrison, btw. There was supposed to be a big fight sequence with the sword guy, but Harrison was tired after a long day of shooting, so he asked Spielberg, "Hey, how bout I just shoot the guy and walk away?". Great touch to the character, in a similar way as Han shooting Greedo in cold-blood at the Tatooine cantina.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dalmuti View Post
    you embarrass the shield at your own risk. no hypocrisy there. did these legions of arrestees send emails or other electronic records calling various parties slurs? does not appear so QED
    Tampa is removing him from their Ring of Honor

    OJ is still on Buffalo’s Wall of Fame


    It’s complete hypocrisy
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