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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    This quote from lake (Washington DC) should be a concern...



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    This is so true. Leach is still running the exact offense he peaked with in 2008. You can't achieve great success in this league without adapting and adjusting. We are yet to do either much. Proud of our guys for the win though. Scheme is still lackluster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
    This is so true. Leach is still running the exact offense he peaked with in 2008. You can't achieve great success in this league without adapting and adjusting. We are yet to do either much. Proud of our guys for the win though. Scheme is still lackluster.
    After watching Kentucky beat Florida I really miss those exciting QB draws on 3rd and forever. As someone else posted somewhere "at least I can watch a MSU qb throw a pass and expect it to be caught".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCHSDawg View Post
    After watching Kentucky beat Florida I really miss those exciting QB draws on 3rd and forever. As someone else posted somewhere "at least I can watch a MSU qb throw a pass and expect it to be caught".
    So we better off without mullen? Somehow, I doubt it

    ETA... just looked up FEI offensive numbers for this year vs Mullen's 2nd year.

    2021 - 52nd
    2010 - 43rd

    This was after a full season. We haven't faced a top 25 FEI defense yet, but we have 4 (Kentucky, ark, bama, and auburn) remaining on schedule. In 2010, we faced 3 (LSU, ark, and bama) top 25 FEI defenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    So we better off without mullen? Somehow, I doubt it

    ETA... just looked up FEI offensive numbers for this year vs Mullen's 2nd year.

    2021 - 52nd
    2010 - 43rd

    This was after a full season. We haven't faced a top 25 FEI defense yet, but we have 4 (Kentucky, ark, bama, and auburn) remaining on schedule. In 2010, we faced 3 (LSU, ark, and bama) top 25 FEI defenses.
    You know that's not what he is saying. However, Mullen can be extremely predictable. Especially when he is losing. We all know QB draw on 3rd and 8 was a Mullen staple and by the end of his run here even our disinterested wives could predict when Dan would run it. We also know outside of 2 seasons, our passing game was our weakest asset and people on here bitched regularly about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    You know that's not what he is saying. However, Mullen can be extremely predictable. Especially when he is losing. We all know QB draw on 3rd and 8 was a Mullen staple and by the end of his run here even our disinterested wives could predict when Dan would run it. We also know outside of 2 seasons, our passing game was our weakest asset and people on here bitched regularly about it.
    We're sorta predictable now too, maybe more so. Last week was a step in the right direction though, so there's hope. Ready to see the Kentucky game

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    You know that's not what he is saying. However, Mullen can be extremely predictable. Especially when he is losing. We all know QB draw on 3rd and 8 was a Mullen staple and by the end of his run here even our disinterested wives could predict when Dan would run it. We also know outside of 2 seasons, our passing game was our weakest asset and people on here bitched regularly about it.
    Mullen hasn't changed his offense either. It's still the same plays he had at Florida in 2008 as OC. It just looks really good with a Dak, Trask or Tebow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrapGame View Post
    Mullen hasn't changed his offense either. It's still the same plays he had at Florida in 2008 as OC. It just looks really good with a Dak, Trask or Tebow.
    Lol. Dak ran the same offense in 2014 and 2015? Fitz ran the same offense in 2016 dak ran in 2015? Trask ran the dak offense of 2014 and fitz of 2017?

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    We're sorta predictable now too, maybe more so. Last week was a step in the right direction though, so there's hope. Ready to see the Kentucky game
    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Lol. Dak ran the same offense in 2014 and 2015? Fitz ran the same offense in 2016 dak ran in 2015? Trask ran the dak offense of 2014 and fitz of 2017?
    Same base offense? Yes. Now, what Dan tends to be very good at is adapting his play calling to his personnel. But even then you see him revert to norm on occasion. Go watch film of us trying to run Tyler Russell in his concrete shoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Same base offense? Yes. Now, what Dan tends to be very good at is adapting his play calling to his personnel. But even then you see him revert to norm on occasion. Go watch film of us trying to run Tyler Russell in his concrete shoes.
    Or Brandon Holloway up the middle. That guy was a warrior for trying to run up the gut in the SEC weighing about 150 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Lol. Dak ran the same offense in 2014 and 2015? Fitz ran the same offense in 2016 dak ran in 2015? Trask ran the dak offense of 2014 and fitz of 2017?
    Yes. It's the same offense. Quit being being so obtuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Same base offense? Yes. Now, what Dan tends to be very good at is adapting his play calling to his personnel. But even then you see him revert to norm on occasion. Go watch film of us trying to run Tyler Russell in his concrete shoes.
    Jones already has more carries than trask did last year.

    2021 Florida 58.9% run heavy
    2020 Florida 56.3% pass heavy

    Maybe it's technically the same offense, but it sure seems different philosophy to me. Florida is running 15.2% more this season than last

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    I now fully expect our WRs to catch the ball. Unlike previous years when we only completed 50% of our passes. Think about that for a second. We used to run 50% and pass 50%, but only half of those passes were caught. Now we're successful passing 75% of the time which is most of our plays.

    I could see Mullen's offense definitely improve if he focused on recruiting some solid WRs that caught the ball and a QB that had a 75% completion rate. However, we never got to experience that except for maybe a brief period of Dak's time. If we had the receiver we didn't have the QB we needed, when we got the QB we didn't have the receivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by memsu06 View Post
    I now fully expect our WRs to catch the ball. Unlike previous years when we only completed 50% of our passes. Think about that for a second. We used to run 50% and pass 50%, but only half of those passes were caught. Now we're successful passing 75% of the time which is most of our plays.

    I could see Mullen's offense definitely improve if he focused on recruiting some solid WRs that caught the ball and a QB that had a 75% completion rate. However, we never got to experience that except for maybe a brief period of Dak's time. If we had the receiver we didn't have the QB we needed, when we got the QB we didn't have the receivers.
    Better stat to use would be yds/play. Currently, we're 11th in the sec. Mullen finished higher than that all but 1 year (11th in 2017). We were 13th last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    So we better off without mullen? Somehow, I doubt it

    ETA... just looked up FEI offensive numbers for this year vs Mullen's 2nd year.

    2021 - 52nd
    2010 - 43rd

    This was after a full season. We haven't faced a top 25 FEI defense yet, but we have 4 (Kentucky, ark, bama, and auburn) remaining on schedule. In 2010, we faced 3 (LSU, ark, and bama) top 25 FEI defenses.
    Mullen could clearly implement his system faster than Leach due to adjusting the scheme to the players. Absent a $100 mil QB , this system gives us a much greater chance of competing for SEC West though due to how it neutralizes the DL.

    So, if you've been Ok with it taking time for Leach to get the WRs & QB up to speed, then this offense is better. If you needed to win day 1, then Mullen would be a better option
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    We're sorta predictable now too, maybe more so. Last week was a step in the right direction though, so there's hope. Ready to see the Kentucky game
    Not sure predictability matters in the Air Raid
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Mullen could clearly implement his system faster than Leach due to adjusting the scheme to the players. Absent a $100 mil QB , this system gives us a much greater chance of competing for SEC West though due to how it neutralizes the DL.

    So, if you've been Ok with it taking time for Leach to get the WRs & QB up to speed, then this offense is better. If you needed to win day 1, then Mullen would be a better option
    We're in a division with Alabama... we ain't winning this conference. We had a shot with mullen. Let's see if leach can do that. He hasn't done it in easier conferences

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    Quote Originally Posted by memsu06 View Post
    I now fully expect our WRs to catch the ball. Unlike previous years when we only completed 50% of our passes. Think about that for a second. We used to run 50% and pass 50%, but only half of those passes were caught. Now we're successful passing 75% of the time which is most of our plays. .
    In our worst year we never only completed 50% of our passes. We were at 52% in 2018 under JoVester. We were usually high 50's to 60 under Mullen. Even Relf was at 59% in 2010. And he didnt have to throw to a RB every 3rd play to do it
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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    We're in a division with Alabama... we ain't winning this conference. We had a shot with mullen. Let's see if leach can do that. He hasn't done it in easier conferences
    Absent a $100 mil QB, we had no chance with Mullen.

    Give Leach a Dak type QB & we'd be just as good if not better due to how this offense neuters the defense & takes away almost all advantage on the DL
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Absent a $100 mil QB, we had no chance with Mullen.

    Give Leach a Dak type QB & we'd be just as good if not better due to how this offense neuters the defense & takes away almost all advantage on the DL
    Who recruited and developed that qb?

    ETA... did dak even have a qb offer out of HS?

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