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10-06-2021, 11:14 AM
#121
Originally Posted by
msstate7
Are you implying the giants run leach's offense? Lol
Of course not. Geez.
Go get another Jimbo tattoo.**
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10-06-2021, 11:18 AM
#122
Can you name any other coach that runs the 100% AirRaid besides CML and CHM? Why do you think that is?
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10-06-2021, 11:23 AM
#123
Originally Posted by
Dak Holliday
Can you name any other coach that runs the 100% AirRaid besides CML and CHM? Why do you think that is?
Dude, I get it. You don't like Leach. He ain't going anywhere for another couple of years at least. I'm looking at the positives and not getting mired down by negatives. Life's a lot better that way.
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10-06-2021, 11:33 AM
#124
I actually love CML, but see serious flaws. I think he?s funny and watched lots of his interview antics before he came here. I had hoped OM would hire him when they promoted Luke just so I could see him upclose while watching his style wreak havoc on their fanbase instead of what it?s doing to ours.
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10-06-2021, 11:49 AM
#125
I wish leach would follow kingsbury's lead and grab a dual threat qb, add TEs, and actually rush the ball some.
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10-06-2021, 11:50 AM
#126
Originally Posted by
msstate7
I wish leach would follow kingsbury's lead and grab a dual threat qb, add TEs, and actually rush the ball some.
If that guy can actually throw as well, he's probably a 5 star
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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10-06-2021, 11:51 AM
#127
Originally Posted by
Dak Holliday
I actually love CML, but see serious flaws. I think he?s funny and watched lots of his interview antics before he came here. I had hoped OM would hire him when they promoted Luke just so I could see him upclose while watching his style wreak havoc on their fanbase instead of what it?s doing to ours.
What serious flaws do you see?
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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10-06-2021, 12:09 PM
#128
Originally Posted by
ShotgunDawg
What serious flaws do you see?
That his winning percentage has diminished steadily over his career, seemingly corresponding to opponents growing in familiarity with AirRaid.
TT: 84-43
WSU: 55-47
MSU: 7-9
His success seems to come heavily when he plays a team not accustomed to seeing the AirRaid. It looks to become less effective over time, and the most glaring flaw is his devotion to not change so that he can prove it still works. Do you disagree?
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10-06-2021, 12:27 PM
#129
Everyone should go and read Swing Your Sword. Mike Leach explains the Air Raid quite well and why he does what he does.
1. It's simple which means the players aren't overthinking every play. Unlike Jimbo's play book with chapter markings.
2. Since we run the same plays so much it's simple muscle memory for your receivers, QB, etc and that makes us crisp.
3. This is why CML focuses on the fundamentals and being able to execute the plays properly.
4. With us being able to execute the plays properly it gives us an edge and slows the opponents down who may have more skilled players and now your players are performing at the same or better than theirs.
We're running 70 plays or more a game. Our offense probably has another game worth of plays under their belt right now than several other teams in the SEC. We'll get better with more reps.
CML wants to win and when he was at Oklahoma as the OC they made a fake play book to leave on the opposing side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUy1wFhIvWs
Last edited by memsu06; 10-06-2021 at 12:31 PM.
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10-06-2021, 12:35 PM
#130
Yes, perspective is important, but in swing your sword, you see it from CMLs eyes. While this is great for understanding his MO, it does little to show it from the perspective of the DCs that seemingly have his number. Once again, if this offense were so simple and effective, wouldn?t EVERYONE run it? Why don?t we see more 100% AirRaid coaches?
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10-06-2021, 12:35 PM
#131
Dak Holliday is making some good points..
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10-06-2021, 12:44 PM
#132
Originally Posted by
Dak Holliday
That his winning percentage has diminished steadily over his career, seemingly corresponding to opponents growing in familiarity with AirRaid.
TT: 84-43
WSU: 55-47
MSU: 7-9
His success seems to come heavily when he plays a team not accustomed to seeing the AirRaid. It looks to become less effective over time, and the most glaring flaw is his devotion to not change so that he can prove it still works. Do you disagree?
Dave Bartoo has Leach as a career +2 coaching effect coach. In other words, given comparable talent to a +0 coach, Leach will on average win 2 extra games per season with that talent.
Bad coaches don?t do that. He?s not perfect but he?s a good coach.
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10-06-2021, 12:52 PM
#133
Originally Posted by
QuadrupleOption
Dave Bartoo has Leach as a career +2 coaching effect coach. In other words, given comparable talent to a +0 coach, Leach will on average win 2 extra games per season with that talent.
Bad coaches don?t do that. He?s not perfect but he?s a good coach.
Good stat, but recruiting is a big part of being a college coach. Wonder how much of a negative his recruiting is
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10-06-2021, 12:54 PM
#134
Originally Posted by
Dak Holliday
Yes, perspective is important, but in swing your sword, you see it from CMLs eyes. While this is great for understanding his MO, it does little to show it from the perspective of the DCs that seemingly have his number. Once again, if this offense were so simple and effective, wouldn?t EVERYONE run it? Why don?t we see more 100% AirRaid coaches?
Stop. It.
We just went against a damn good SEC defense/DC Saturday night in their house in front of over 87,000 rowdy fans. And WON.
Elko was throwing everything at us but the kitchen sink. We still marched down the field.
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10-06-2021, 01:02 PM
#135
This quote from lake (Washington DC) should be a concern...
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/se...apple-cup-win/
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10-06-2021, 01:04 PM
#136
Originally Posted by
msstate7
It's funny but Les Miles said the same thing about Mullen's offense.
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10-06-2021, 01:13 PM
#137
Originally Posted by
Dak Holliday
Yes, perspective is important, but in swing your sword, you see it from CMLs eyes. While this is great for understanding his MO, it does little to show it from the perspective of the DCs that seemingly have his number. Once again, if this offense were so simple and effective, wouldn?t EVERYONE run it? Why don?t we see more 100% AirRaid coaches?
What DC has his number? UW has managed to consistently beat them by outrecruiting them by 30 spots in the recruiting rankings. With him at MSU (unless and until NIL screws us), that's a playbook that Bama, UGA, CLemson, and OSU can sort of copy?
What other DC do you know of that has consistently shut down Leach's scheme? I'm not saying it's perfect or that he couldn't do better if he was more adaptive, but I'm just curious as to where people are getting their information from that it's easy to shut down once it's installed and executed at the level that his typical teams do?
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10-06-2021, 01:23 PM
#138
Originally Posted by
msstate7
The biggest reason for UW dominating that series is they were able to blow up wazzu o line by only rushing 3. Dropping 8 alone wasnt enough. Their d line dominated by rushing 3 due to superior talent there.
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10-06-2021, 01:37 PM
#139
Originally Posted by
BayouDawg
The biggest reason for UW dominating that series is they were able to blow up wazzu o line by only rushing 3. Dropping 8 alone wasnt enough. Their d line dominated by rushing 3 due to superior talent there.
There isn't an offense that works against a defense that can dominate 5 Oline with 3 DLine. You are essentially playing 5 or 6 (depending on running QB) vs 8 at that point.
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10-06-2021, 01:43 PM
#140
Originally Posted by
Dak Holliday
That his winning percentage has diminished steadily over his career, seemingly corresponding to opponents growing in familiarity with AirRaid.
TT: 84-43
WSU: 55-47
MSU: 7-9
His success seems to come heavily when he plays a team not accustomed to seeing the AirRaid. It looks to become less effective over time, and the most glaring flaw is his devotion to not change so that he can prove it still works. Do you disagree?
I mean we don't really have enough of a sample size of his MSU tenure to be able to say it will or won't work in the long run. But to just look at his Wazzu record and use that as proof that his system has gotten worse over time ignores a ton of context. Specifically that his offenses were always good there and his worst teams were bad because of issues on defense. Also, his record improved DRASTICALLY over time at Wazzu. He averaged 4 wins a year his first three seasons and then averaged almost 9 wins a year in his last six years there.
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