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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    What kind of "stuff"? There are bars. There is live music. There are restaurants. There are parties. College kids don't require much more than that. Other SEC towns really don't have anything else that students do. There may be more options depending on the size of town. You may have a Target and a Walmart. Oxford, Auburn/Opelika, & Starkville are all pretty much the same town. Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, Columbia, Fayetteville area all bigger, but essentially the same as Starkville with a Target. Knoxville, Baton Rouge, Columbia MO, aren't really college towns. And while Athens gets a lot of attention and love - other than the music scene - there is nothing there but traffic congestion. And the music scene isn't what it was - not near as many venues as it was 20-30 years ago and the music is much more cover oriented. And in all those towns, half of campus or more goes home every non-football weekend (just like Starkville). So what's missing? A theme park? Casinos? I'm having a hard time understanding what I'm missing.
    This. As you just said pretty much every college town in the South is pretty much the same, with some being bigger and some being smaller but very similar. Also some of these college towns the cities around them are just dumps.

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    if only we had not put our football field over an Indian burial ground ....

    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick91 View Post
    This is truly a knowledge desiring post. I understand State's history of winning is below subpar... we have a losing record. I get that we don't have any national championships in football and reality outside of a blimp during the 30s and 40s and laterish 90's we haven't been good since Mullen got here in 09.

    I get all of that! What I don't understand is the idea that we cannot be seen as a destination for a coach to come in here and build a lasting legacy. I feel like we are ripe for the taking, I believe we have the money to get whatever a coach wants here or needs, I believe we have the fan base that actually wants it to happen, we are in the right conference, plush recruiting area, I don't understand the facility talk, we got updated facilities over the past ten years. What more needs to be updated? Like how many saunas and player lounges do players need to feel like its a cool place to be? Our campus is beautiful, we are relevant in other sports, really good in baseball, have been for awhile. I keep hearing that Starkville is not a fun town to be in as a collage kid, like really? Is every other collage town in America so much better than Starkville? I mean seriously? I mean do we need a bunch of night clubs to be added to the scene?

    The above is what I don't understand, along with it, the talk that its hard to get high caliber players hear, I feel like that is a bunch of ole miss (BS). If that was the case baseball wouldn't recruit like they do, WB wouldn't have been doing what they were doing a few years ago. Why do we think we cannot get the players hear?

    It is just hard for me to buy into the "facts" that State is so far set up for failure that we cannot succeed at a highly sustained level, if the effort is put in.

    Is this truly reality or is this a bunch of we are stuck in the 70s-80s talk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    This. As you just said pretty much every college town in the South is pretty much the same, with some being bigger and some being smaller but very similar. Also some of these college towns the cities around them are just dumps.
    So, is it our marketing needs to ramp up? Do we need to spend some money on selling the town and the atmosphere of Starkville? You are either growing or you are dying, under loafers I honestly felt like we were growing. Since then, It feels like we are just standing still, which means we are dying, ole miss that crap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick91 View Post
    So, is it our marketing needs to ramp up? Do we need to spend some money on selling the town and the atmosphere of Starkville? You are either growing or you are dying, under loafers I honestly felt like we were growing. Since then, It feels like we are just standing still, which means we are dying, ole miss that crap!
    We could definitely ramp up our marketing and branding. It needs to be way more agressive and visible. We've got quite an opportunity with our National Championship in baseball to really push it but those windows close rapidly, can't let a single minute go by in this day and age. Need to spend some of that SEC money.

    I have a lot of friends out west who have come to Starkville for regionals, football games(byu),etc. and have just absolutely loved the town and the environment.

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    If it really boiled down to the city the school is in, then Vanderbilt should be winning National Titles in almost every sport every year. Only school that has a NFL team in its backyard. Its admin, boosters and recruiting that are holding us back. Fix that and you'll fix State football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgfan77 View Post
    Pretty obvious you haven't been to Starkville in a while. You can walk from campus to the district and plenty of bars and restaurants there.
    I was just in Starkville last week. Everyone saying it?s plenty are properly older than 30 and don?t have a clue what kids want kids these days want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaintDawg View Post
    If it really boiled down to the city the school is in, then Vanderbilt should be winning National Titles in almost every sport every year. Only school that has a NFL team in its backyard. Its admin, boosters and recruiting that are holding us back. Fix that and you'll fix State football.
    I was thinking the same thing. I go to Nashville every 6 months or so on business and it is probably the most well rounded as far as things to do/activities/atmosphere etc in the SEC. I think the academic entrance requirements tend to hamper them a bit in recruiting though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless View Post
    I was just in Starkville last week. Everyone saying it?s plenty are properly older than 30 and don?t have a clue what kids want kids these days want.
    The district bars aren't big enough. That is a fact. You could fit all of the bars in the district into the library or sky bar

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    What we need is a new AD with a great track record of being at other schools with success
    In 5 years as AD at MSU I can honestly say we have take steps backwards in all facets other than baseball.... and he was r he baseball coach and played here. Like him or not SS had a resume and had a track record. We had an upward trajectory in all sports. Look at the mess USCE is in now... why cause t her promoted a baseball coach to AD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    We could definitely ramp up our marketing and branding. It needs to be way more agressive and visible. We've got quite an opportunity with our National Championship in baseball to really push it but those windows close rapidly, can't let a single minute go by in this day and age. Need to spend some of that SEC money.

    I have a lot of friends out west who have come to Starkville for regionals, football games(byu),etc. and have just absolutely loved the town and the environment.
    Yeah, whoever is in-charge of that mess needs to jump on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless View Post
    I was just in Starkville last week. Everyone saying it?s plenty are properly older than 30 and don?t have a clue what kids want kids these days want.
    I know this. I am about an hour from Oxford. 2.5 to Starkville. Kids here, 2 out of 3 are going to State. There are kids moving to Starkville and attending EMCC-GTR just to be in Starkville for the experience. It doesn't have squat to do with why football players choose where they do but....

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    I don't think Starkville has much to do with it. I'm not saying Starkville is the greatest place, but it's not the reason we have trouble in football. People in the know say our boosters don't support football the way we need to. It's also really hard to win end recruit as a bottom feeder in this conference. We're usually competing with Ole Miss and Arkansas to see who is the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg2003 View Post
    I don't think Starkville has much to do with it. I'm not saying Starkville is the greatest place, but it's not the reason we have trouble in football. People in the know say our boosters don't support football the way we need to. It's also really hard to win end recruit as a bottom feeder in this conference. We're usually competing with Ole Miss and Arkansas to see who is the worst.
    Not sure where your getting that info. We have a lot of $$$ folks all in on football after the Mullen run.
    Cohen was just not a good hire

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    The favorite son Athletics Director hire was a failure. It will always be a failure because they have tunnel vision and cannot see the big picture. The Keenum (another favorite son ) hire was also a huge failure. The same cigar boys pushed his hire because he was a huge football supporter. Academics be damned, we are going to pack 24000 on a campus and a city with half that amount for decent housing and what decent housing we have is over priced by double for the Student we attract so momma and daddy go in deep dept of the kid graduates with $75,000 in debt. Not sustainable economically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless View Post
    Starkville isn?t a great college town. We need more night life for the colleges kids. We also need a few nice restaurants and shops to make it where families want to come spend the wkend even during the off-season. It would really help if all of this was centrally located as well.
    You're talking 20-25 years ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    What kind of "stuff"? There are bars. There is live music. There are restaurants. There are parties. College kids don't require much more than that. Other SEC towns really don't have anything else that students do. There may be more options depending on the size of town. You may have a Target and a Walmart. Oxford, Auburn/Opelika, & Starkville are all pretty much the same town. Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, Columbia, Fayetteville area all bigger, but essentially the same as Starkville with a Target. Knoxville, Baton Rouge, Columbia MO, aren't really college towns. And while Athens gets a lot of attention and love - other than the music scene - there is nothing there but traffic congestion. And the music scene isn't what it was - not near as many venues as it was 20-30 years ago and the music is much more cover oriented. And in all those towns, half of campus or more goes home every non-football weekend (just like Starkville). So what's missing? A theme park? Casinos? I'm having a hard time understanding what I'm missing.
    The atmosphere/types of entertainment. Until Covid I worked in the bar/club scene in college towns, just a different vibe. Nothing wrong with it at all but there is a huge difference. It is what it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreCowbell View Post
    The atmosphere/types of entertainment. Until Covid I worked in the bar/club scene in college towns, just a different vibe. Nothing wrong with it at all but there is a huge difference. It is what it is
    I kind of get what you mean about vibe. I think that just has to do with the type atmosphere of the school and town in general. Places like Oxford and Athens do create a certain "party" atmosphere and promote themselves that way. It kind of builds on itself. But just because the student body like to "never lose a party" doesn't mean that they actually offer anything that different. Just means you have more people out drinking and creating mayhem. Georgia Southern is known as a major party school and the students follow thru (see their OL on top of a bus catching a brew Stone Cold Steve Austin style). But it doesn't make Statesboro any less of a shithole town - it just means there is lots of coke to go around. I don't see MSU ever attracting a student population that "never lose a party".

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    Money is the issue pure and simple. Until about 70% of our fanbase gets off their butts, forget it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreCowbell View Post
    The atmosphere/types of entertainment. Until Covid I worked in the bar/club scene in college towns, just a different vibe. Nothing wrong with it at all but there is a huge difference. It is what it is
    It?s no good place to go dance and cut up and have a good relaxed time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgfan77 View Post
    Pretty obvious you haven't been to Starkville in a while. You can walk from campus to the district and plenty of bars and restaurants there.
    Nothing like the good ole days of driving to Columbus or the Crossroads.

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