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    I want to understand.

    This is truly a knowledge desiring post. I understand State's history of winning is below subpar... we have a losing record. I get that we don't have any national championships in football and reality outside of a blimp during the 30s and 40s and laterish 90's we haven't been good since Mullen got here in 09.

    I get all of that! What I don't understand is the idea that we cannot be seen as a destination for a coach to come in here and build a lasting legacy. I feel like we are ripe for the taking, I believe we have the money to get whatever a coach wants here or needs, I believe we have the fan base that actually wants it to happen, we are in the right conference, plush recruiting area, I don't understand the facility talk, we got updated facilities over the past ten years. What more needs to be updated? Like how many saunas and player lounges do players need to feel like its a cool place to be? Our campus is beautiful, we are relevant in other sports, really good in baseball, have been for awhile. I keep hearing that Starkville is not a fun town to be in as a collage kid, like really? Is every other collage town in America so much better than Starkville? I mean seriously? I mean do we need a bunch of night clubs to be added to the scene?

    The above is what I don't understand, along with it, the talk that its hard to get high caliber players hear, I feel like that is a bunch of ole miss (BS). If that was the case baseball wouldn't recruit like they do, WB wouldn't have been doing what they were doing a few years ago. Why do we think we cannot get the players hear?

    It is just hard for me to buy into the "facts" that State is so far set up for failure that we cannot succeed at a highly sustained level, if the effort is put in.

    Is this truly reality or is this a bunch of we are stuck in the 70s-80s talk?

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    It’s because our football program and boosters that support it are not organized. It’s that simple. Too many people competing for pull and politics.

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    Starkville isn?t a great college town. We need more night life for the colleges kids. We also need a few nice restaurants and shops to make it where families want to come spend the wkend even during the off-season. It would really help if all of this was centrally located as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless View Post
    Starkville isn?t a great college town. We need more night life for the colleges kids. We also need a few nice restaurants and shops to make it where families want to come spend the wkend even during the off-season. It would really help if all of this was centrally located as well.
    There is plenty to do in Starkville. That’s an old line of nothing to do, etc. Starkville nightlife in the district is legit and there are tons of places to eat and drink throughout the town. Nothing like Starkville 20 years ago. I’m telling you our football boosters and recruiters are on completely separate pages, we have a compliance department that makes things too complicated and hard for us to compete and our marketing team needs a complete overhaul. Fix that and we compete.

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    In an absolute world you are correct and as a fan maybe that only, regularly sees Starkville and MSU's campus, you are logical but reality is, in football specifically, that prospective coach sees competing against Alabama, LSU, Auburn and TAMU as really big challenges and more and more kids, I'm afraid, desire a more urban & city environment. I loved Starkville's size as I was from a small town and did not need or want the big city culture but many of today's highly recruited football players want the more urban lifestyle and want to be showered by media and entertainment.

    Most if not all established head coaches, even G5, are not going to take the risks of playing in the SEC WEST as a HC at State. Our best strategy, I believe, is the Dan Mullen strategy of identifying a young, smart, energetic P5 coordinator wanting to prove himself as a head coach and Moorhead was that but we could not see his lack of player/program management skills (obviously a great co-ordinator though). To me, Leach, was a gut reaction in the opposite direction of Moorhead due to Moorhead's program management failures and our leadership wanted the opposite of that.

    We are not going to win the NIL and recruiting war outside of Mississippi going forward. Mississippi high profile recruits are even going to be harder to recruit than the recent past due to this. Need a strong talent developer, smart teachers and strong local recruiting ability. I know Dan grew tired of our school but his method is the correct prescription. Strong team unity, good discipline and mostly, schemes that accentuate your talent strengths and mask your weaknesses...ie. Relf, Dak, Fitz. Rarely asked them to over emphasize their weaknesses and focused on their strengths and the teams as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgology View Post
    There is plenty to do in Starkville. That?s an old line of nothing to do, etc. Starkville nightlife in the district is legit and there are tons of places to eat and drink throughout the town. Nothing like Starkville 20 years ago. I
    Man, ain't that right! I have a great time in Starkville.

    I have kids college age. The college kids are having a great time in Starkville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless View Post
    Starkville isn?t a great college town. We need more night life for the colleges kids. We also need a few nice restaurants and shops to make it where families want to come spend the wkend even during the off-season. It would really help if all of this was centrally located as well.
    When is the last time you been to the Cotton District? Walk through there after a night game. Old men like has whiplash neck when I get to the car. Starkville is 1000 time better today than it was when I was in school. Saying Starkville is not a fun town back in the 80's was a legit argument. Not today.
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    I'm not understanding the question. We havent had trouble hiring a coach since the 1980's.

    1990- We hired Jackie Sherrill
    2002- We hired Sylvester Croom over Jimbo Fisher
    2008- We hired the top OC in the country- Dan Mullen
    2017- We hired one of the top OC's in the country- Joe Moorhead
    2020- We hired Mike Leach

    In that timeframe- 1 coach left us for a blueblood school. Any coach we hire is going to leave us for a chance to coach a blueblood. Thats just the way it is. Other than that- we will be firing the HC rather than them leave us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgology View Post
    There is plenty to do in Starkville. That’s an old line of nothing to do, etc. Starkville nightlife in the district is legit and there are tons of places to eat and drink throughout the town. Nothing like Starkville 20 years ago. I’m telling you our football boosters and recruiters are on completely separate pages, we have a compliance department that makes things too complicated and hard for us to compete and our marketing team needs a complete overhaul. Fix that and we compete.
    That is an old line and our fans keep repeating. We are a state University in the rural South. Starkville is a great college town and I know plenty of college kids there and that is the reason they are there.
    They don't want a big city town. Plus our students have plenty of huntin, fishin, etc. which is where many come from.

    Why do people think the big city is so great? More shopping? You can do that online. More eating places? Starkville has some of the best places to eat anywhere. Party scenes? Students will make their own party whenever you gather 20K plus in one area. So what is the allure?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    I'm not understanding the question. We havent had trouble hiring a coach since the 1980's.

    1990- We hired Jackie Sherrill
    2002- We hired Sylvester Croom over Jimbo Fisher
    2008- We hired the top OC in the country- Dan Mullen
    2017- We hired one of the top OC's in the country- Joe Moorhead
    2020- We hired Mike Leach

    In that timeframe- 1 coach left us for a blueblood school. Any coach we hire is going to leave us for a chance to coach a blueblood. Thats just the way it is. Other than that- we will be firing the HC rather than them leave us.
    You are correct. That is 30 years of facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maroonthirteen View Post
    Man, ain't that right! I have a great time in Starkville.

    I have kids college age. The college kids are having a great time in Starkville.
    I do as well and they love Starkville. It was great when I was there decades ago too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless View Post
    Starkville isn?t a great college town. We need more night life for the colleges kids. We also need a few nice restaurants and shops to make it where families want to come spend the wkend even during the off-season. It would really help if all of this was centrally located as well.
    I would suggest you visit Gainesville. What a shithole. I would take Starkville every day of the week and twice on Sunday over that place. Campus is nice but the town sucks.

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    1) We haven't competed with the top teams in our division consistently over the history of our program. 2) Despite now having more money than ever, we still have less money and fewer resources than anyone in our division and are WAY behind Alabama, LSU, Auburn and A&M. 3) Starkville is viewed by many/most to be an undesirable place to live.

    These are all facts.

    Highly sought after coaches have multiple opportunities. It is difficult to convince some/many highly sought after coaches with other opportunities to come to State in light of the facts above. This all applies to recruits as well, and coaches know it, which could be point #4.

    This isn't poor ol State, this is just reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WinningIsRelentless View Post
    Starkville isn?t a great college town. We need more night life for the colleges kids. We also need a few nice restaurants and shops to make it where families want to come spend the wkend even during the off-season. It would really help if all of this was centrally located as well.
    Pretty obvious you haven't been to Starkville in a while. You can walk from campus to the district and plenty of bars and restaurants there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgology View Post
    There is plenty to do in Starkville. That’s an old line of nothing to do, etc. Starkville nightlife in the district is legit and there are tons of places to eat and drink throughout the town. Nothing like Starkville 20 years ago. I’m telling you our football boosters and recruiters are on completely separate pages, we have a compliance department that makes things too complicated and hard for us to compete and our marketing team needs a complete overhaul. Fix that and we compete.
    Yeah there is stuff to do but in comparison to other college towns it is lacking. That is just the truth of it. Does not mean we cant field a constantly good football team

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    It all comes down to money and recruiting. Yes we have money but our conference does have way more.

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    Unfortunately I have been to no home games since my move 20 yrs ago. What I recall in the90's was traveling to Knoxville and Tuscaloosa twice and was blown away by their game day atmosphere. Tons of food and spirits all along festive walkways. I felt jealous of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    I'm not understanding the question. We havent had trouble hiring a coach since the 1980's.

    1990- We hired Jackie Sherrill
    2002- We hired Sylvester Croom over Jimbo Fisher
    2008- We hired the top OC in the country- Dan Mullen
    2017- We hired one of the top OC's in the country- Joe Moorhead
    2020- We hired Mike Leach

    In that timeframe- 1 coach left us for a blueblood school. Any coach we hire is going to leave us for a chance to coach a blueblood. Thats just the way it is. Other than that- we will be firing the HC rather than them leave us.
    time and time again on here and honestly with media personalities. State is made out to be a place that isn't a "top tier" place to be. I tend to disagree, I just don't see why State cannot be seen as a top tier program for someone to come in a be our Bobby Bowden, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler... Dawgology made some good points. Do we just need to over hall our admin? If so, freaking do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RiverCityDawg View Post
    1) We haven't competed with the top teams in our division consistently over the history of our program. 2) Despite now having more money than ever, we still have less money and fewer resources than anyone in our division and are WAY behind Alabama, LSU, Auburn and A&M. 3) Starkville is viewed by many/most to be an undesirable place to live.

    These are all facts.

    Highly sought after coaches have multiple opportunities. It is difficult to convince some/many highly sought after coaches with other opportunities to come to State in light of the facts above. This all applies to recruits as well, and coaches know it, which could be point #4.

    This isn't poor ol State, this is just reality.
    Alright! I get it. How do we change that? I believe we have the money to change that. It is just as simple as " hey, open the piggy bank?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoreCowbell View Post
    Yeah there is stuff to do but in comparison to other college towns it is lacking. That is just the truth of it. Does not mean we cant field a constantly good football team
    What kind of "stuff"? There are bars. There is live music. There are restaurants. There are parties. College kids don't require much more than that. Other SEC towns really don't have anything else that students do. There may be more options depending on the size of town. You may have a Target and a Walmart. Oxford, Auburn/Opelika, & Starkville are all pretty much the same town. Tuscaloosa, Gainesville, Columbia, Fayetteville area all bigger, but essentially the same as Starkville with a Target. Knoxville, Baton Rouge, Columbia MO, aren't really college towns. And while Athens gets a lot of attention and love - other than the music scene - there is nothing there but traffic congestion. And the music scene isn't what it was - not near as many venues as it was 20-30 years ago and the music is much more cover oriented. And in all those towns, half of campus or more goes home every non-football weekend (just like Starkville). So what's missing? A theme park? Casinos? I'm having a hard time understanding what I'm missing.
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