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    Sunday Morning QB- Mugged in Memphis Edition

    1. I love college football Saturday's. Football and food. Just a great day of relaxation and cheering for your team and the teams you bet on with some Tito's and a 20 ounce ribeye cooked to a perfect medium pink. And like my boy Jake Wimberly I also use ketchup.

    2. Yes we got screwed on the punt return call. So what? There were 110 plats in the game. That 1 play didnt decide it. Why was the team that let Arkansas State score 50 on them that close to begin with?

    3. Rogers set some State records yesterday. Most passing attempts. Most completions. Most dump downs to RB's in a game. Slowest run for an attempted 2 point conversion. I could complete 70% of the passes in this offense at age 50 let alone when I was 20

    4. Anybody saying that this offensive scheme is not the problem is not a smart person. I'm going to avoid name-calling and not call these people dumbasses. I'm not going to call them football illiterate. I'm not even going to say "shut up stupid". But anybody that thinks an offensive scheme is effective when a defense lines up the same way and plays it the same way over and over and over and over again play after play without changing- is effective? Then those people likely need someone to use a spoon for them and to unbuckle their pants. When Rush 3 and Drop 8 play after mf'ing play is what you know is coming- and you still struggle to score then you aren't an effective playcaller in an effective offense. When a defense plays so vanilla against you play after play and you cant abuse them- then your offense sux.

    5. I've seen people post "the offense wasn't the problem. We had 459 yards". First of all we ran 83 plays compared to our normal 65-67. That's like playing an extra quarter for us. So yeah- we had more yards. Secondly- Memphis was giving up an average of 490 yards per game. So the fact that we couldnt even meet their standard of shittiness magnifies the fact that our offense is not good.

    6. I hate watching this Wishbone 2020 offense. Snap, drop back, dump down to the RB. Watch RB get blown the **** up by a LB closing downhill at a high rate of speed. Snap, drop back, rush 3 drop 8 yet aGAIN....look around for 5 seconds, hit Williams in the middle of the field for a 6 yard gain. Over and over and over and over. It's like watching a wing-T team almost. It's so painful to watch.

    7. You know how to figure out a coach is just collecting a check? Watch his reaction to a blatant missed call by the refs. I went out on the field and picked up the ball before a team could run another play after an inadvertent whistle the refs were just going to try and pretend didnt happen during a game. The very least Leach could have done was raise a little hell and ask for a replay. He has coaches in the press box- shirley somebody saw the ref going to mark the ball and moving his hands over his head. Shirley a player told him they heard a whistle even if he didnt. Wtf? Dont just stand there.

    8. The OL is not the problem. When you throw the ball 60 times you are going to have a couple of holding penalties. When you throw the ball 60 times- there is going to be a couple of sacks. Defensive lines in the South just have too many athletes.

    9. Defense did their job. Gave up 17 points to a pretty good offense.

    10. Not kicking the FG to start the 3rd Q bit us in the ass. Not having a decent 2 point play bit us in the ass. Being soft as an offense bit us in the ass in the red zone. Onside kicking a 2nd time in a row instead of kicking it deep bit us in the ass. Not changing your offense for 25 years bit us in the ass. We scored 29 points on a team that gave up 50 to Arkansas State. Ark State scored 3 points on Washington last night. We scored 34 points on La Tech- since then La Tech has given up 42 points to SE Louisiana and 39 to SMU. We are the worst offense La Tech has faced this year. Scheme isnt the problem tho is it?

    This team isnt going bowling in 2021 unless our GPA gets us in again with 5 wins. Provided we somehow get a 5th
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    Spot on. The people pointing to the stats are clueless.

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    Pirate is Emory II, past his time and hard headed. That second half of sorry ass football was bad. Yes to what you say about punt return, shouldn't have come down to that. What a dumb move not taking points after interception up by 10 with mo on our side. After that it was all down hill!

    Btw 34, The Pirate loved the Corner Bar in Natchez. I guess it reminded him of Key West.

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    You lose credibility with your first take. Ketchup on steak means you don't know what your doing on a grill.

    Second the reason this system isn't working is because we still don't have the players to run it effectively. Y'all act like we have the best receivers in the world. Most of our receivers are still young. Our Qb is still young. ( even though I don't trust him )

    Third, the rush 3 drop 8 take is a little misleading. Memphis rushed four more in the second half which caused us to change what we were doing. Also Memphis played Cover 2 which they were trying to take away the flats more so than others playing Cover 3 and Cover 4.

    Lastly the fact we lost our best RB hurt us too.We were rolling in the first half with Marks in the game and it showed it changed when he left.

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    Agree with the field goal and second onside kick. On the road after a turnover take the three! The second onside gave them 3 points (although it was a great FG by their kicker) that's a 6 point swing and the ballgame right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fader21 View Post
    You lose credibility with your first take. Ketchup on steak means you don't know what your doing on a grill.

    Second the reason this system isn't working is because we still don't have the players to run it effectively. Y'all act like we have the best receivers in the world. Most of our receivers are still young. Our Qb is still young. ( even though I don't trust him )

    Third, the rush 3 drop 8 take is a little misleading. Memphis rushed four more in the second half which caused us to change what we were doing. Also Memphis played Cover 2 which they were trying to take away the flats more so than others playing Cover 3 and Cover 4.

    Lastly the fact we lost our best RB hurt us too.We were rolling in the first half with Marks in the game and it showed it changed when he left.
    Marks had 4 carries for 1 yard
    6 catches for 39 yds

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    Much as I hate to...... I agree with everything you said 34. I wasn't in favor of the hire to begin with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fader21 View Post
    Lastly the fact we lost our best RB hurt us too.We were rolling in the first half with Marks in the game and it showed it changed when he left.
    Yes! And then Johnson got banged up as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Marks had 4 carries for 1 yard
    6 catches for 39 yds
    Was the offense working with him in the game? Take away the bad hand off we were marching down the field every drive with him in the game except one 3 and out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fader21 View Post
    You lose credibility with your first take. Ketchup on steak means you don't know what your doing on a grill.

    Second the reason this system isn't working is because we still don't have the players to run it effectively. Y'all act like we have the best receivers in the world. Most of our receivers are still young. Our Qb is still young. ( even though I don't trust him )

    Third, the rush 3 drop 8 take is a little misleading. Memphis rushed four more in the second half which caused us to change what we were doing. Also Memphis played Cover 2 which they were trying to take away the flats more so than others playing Cover 3 and Cover 4.

    Lastly the fact we lost our best RB hurt us too.We were rolling in the first half with Marks in the game and it showed it changed when he left.
    Whew. This is some Bucky level spin.

    Our receivers are fine. Polk is the best outside WR we've had in a long time. You've got Walley and Calvin (who isn't young) in the slot. Malik Heath is a very solid option. Austin Williams is reliable. Tulu is our best playmaker but we don't get him the ball for some reason.

    We have the players to run this system besides at QB. And even if we get one at QB, this offense will never work in the SEC.

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    Lol, yeah.....but agree with just about everything else.

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    Have to agree with Coach34 in many regards. Coach34 brought to light the WingT offense which is relatable because scheme orientated coaches be it Air Raid or WingT have a similar psychology in their minds. Those scheme disciples never take responsibility because the SCHEME is infallible in their minds. The players failure to execute the SCHEME as codified in the coaches mind is the problem and not the coaches shortcomings. These type of coaches are condescending to the football think tank because everyone else lacks the coaches knowledge? Over the years I have watched coach ideologues weed themselves out of the profession?

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    I agree with Coach 34. When a team can run the same defense all game because they know you aren?t going to do anything different, you have problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fader21 View Post
    Was the offense working with him in the game? Take away the bad hand off we were marching down the field every drive with him in the game except one 3 and out.
    Correlation does not equal causation

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Marks had 4 carries for 1 yard
    6 catches for 39 yds
    He played a quarter and a half! Bad take. Teams have to respect him when he's out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    Marks had 4 carries for 1 yard
    6 catches for 39 yds
    Quote Originally Posted by KOdawg1 View Post
    Whew. This is some Bucky level spin.

    Our receivers are fine. Polk is the best outside WR we've had in a long time. You've got Walley and Calvin (who isn't young) in the slot. Malik Heath is a very solid option. Austin Williams is reliable. Tulu is our best playmaker but we don't get him the ball for some reason.

    We have the players to run this system besides at QB. And even if we get one at QB, this offense will never work in the SEC.
    Our receivers are fine for a Mullen offense, not a pass first offense. Tulu can't catch or find open grass in zones that's why he isn't getting the ball. We don't have the players to run the offense yet. 1 1/2 years of recruiting the system isn't enough to get the right players in.

    I swear this fan base has got the idea that changing a offensively philosophy can be done very quickly when our recruiting suffered under Mullen. Moorhead was doing a great job but his system is night and day different than Leach's.

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    On #4 using what is SUPPOSED to be the same offensive scheme, the 2019 Washington State team (Leach's last in Pullman) was 7th in total offense in the country and 11th in scoring without any real all-stars. So sounds like a personnel issue to me way more than scheme. We have a serviceable QB at best and a poor OL. Also, at least yesterday, we were playing walkon RBs because of injuries. The only thing we have half way adequate on offense in this scheme currently might be WRs. And before anyone says 'well that WSU offense was having success against PAC-12 defenses' I will remind you that so far we have played a mid-level CUSA defense, a decent ACC defense and a poor AAC defense. Our offensive issues have much more to do with us than it does with anything opposing defenses are doing. Honestly, I thought Rogers' accuracy yesterday was the poorest I've seen him. And he wasn't very accurate last week either. Overall I don't think Will has been as effective this year as he was during the last half of last season which is puzzling. Also he seems to be much more indecisive about where to go with the ball than last year. Disappointing that he hasn't progressed more given he now has a Spring session under his belt. Heck, if we had OM's QB and OM's OL in this same scheme we would be hell on wheels just like they are in their scheme especially if we ran it with some pace like they do instead of being SO slow going from one play to the next.

    On #7 Leach has had the same stupid blank look on his face on the sidelines during games for his whole coaching career. That's just who he is.

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    Correctamundo. And don't call me shirley. Throwing the ball 64 times will not win many games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacknut View Post
    He played a quarter and a half! Bad take. Teams have to respect him when he's out there.
    On the season,
    Marks: 3.77 per rush, 4.27 per catch

    He's the difference between winning and losing to MEMPHiS!

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