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Balance run/pass
Two of the better offenses in the league last night passed at a 77% & 78% rate last night because neither could establish the run game. And both were unstoppable unless they stopped them selves most of the time. Short passes are an extension of the run. The game has changed. But somehow, play action still worked for both which I think is huge.
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We don't do nearly enough play action.
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Originally Posted by
KOdawg1
We don't do nearly enough play action.
We never run. PA won't hold the LB's to the same degree it would for a Dan Mullen team. LB had to play run first. Not w CML
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It's not nearly about the run/pass split like some here harp on as much as it is simply not being predictable. I think KO's right that we need to incorporate some more play action even if we don't intend to hand it off any more than we did last week.
I also still think we have too many execution issues to draw any hard conclusions on supposed schematic flaws. I'm looking to see if our improved OL play in the 4th quarter last week is something real that we build on, or if it was just La Tech wearing down. Not to mention at this point the longer we continue to see execution issues, the more of a whole different indictment it becomes on Leach.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
We never run. PA won't hold the LB's to the same degree it would for a Dan Mullen team. LB had to play run first. Not w CML
Analytics in the NFL continually show there's not a strong correlation between the strength and frequency of a team's running game and its production off play action; it's more about how well the fake is executed. While college and the pros are obviously two different games, I would think that trend would be even greater in college with less collective discipline and athleticism.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
We never run. PA won't hold the LB's to the same degree it would for a Dan Mullen team. LB had to play run first. Not w CML
Very common misconception. Rush attempts have no correlation to the success of PA.
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...action-passing
https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...action-passing
Last edited by MrCoachKlein; 09-10-2021 at 03:00 PM.
Reason: Quoted the wrong post.
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Originally Posted by
thf24
It's not nearly about the run/pass split like some here harp on as much as it is simply not being predictable. I think KO's right that we need to incorporate some more play action even if we don't intend to hand it off any more than we did last week.
I also still think we have too many execution issues to draw any hard conclusions on supposed schematic flaws. I'm looking to see if our improved OL play in the 4th quarter last week is something real that we build on, or if it was just La Tech wearing down. Not to mention at this point the longer we continue to see execution issues, the more of a whole different indictment it becomes on Leach.
First our Oline has to actually block people. In the 4th quarter we finally blocked consistently. We have had too many times that 4 guys block 2 and 1 guy doesn't block anyone while a defender runs free. We can talk about wide splits and whatever else but it doesn't matter if we are attempting to block the wrong guys almost every play.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
We never run. PA won't hold the LB's to the same degree it would for a Dan Mullen team. LB had to play run first. Not w CML
I still think we should do it. 14 runs last week. While I think that number needs to be 21, it's enough that it's a possibility.
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Originally Posted by
MrCoachKlein
Thanks for the link, it was very interesting.
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Originally Posted by
Tbonewannabe
First our Oline has to actually block people. In the 4th quarter we finally blocked consistently. We have had too many times that 4 guys block 2 and 1 guy doesn't block anyone while a defender runs free. We can talk about wide splits and whatever else but it doesn't matter if we are attempting to block the wrong guys almost every play.
Exactly, OL play is primarily the execution issues I'm referring to.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
We never run. PA won't hold the LB's to the same degree it would for a Dan Mullen team. LB had to play run first. Not w CML
I'm aware that it wouldn't be the same as a dan Mullen team. That's not what I'm saying. But it would just give them something to think about. Literally wouldn't hurt anything
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Originally Posted by
KOdawg1
I'm aware that it wouldn't be the same as a dan Mullen team. That's not what I'm saying. But it would just give them something to think about. Literally wouldn't hurt anything
Yes, especially in run heavy situations like 1st down and short yardage
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
We never run. PA won't hold the LB's to the same degree it would for a Dan Mullen team. LB had to play run first. Not w CML
We did a play action on the tunnel screen to Calvin for a td. Worked well as it froze the linebackers long enough for the blocks to set up.
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Would be interested to know how many play actions and draws we ran Saturday.
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