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    Aight, armchair corches. How would you fix our OL?

    Short of kidnapping Bama's line

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    Tighten the splits.

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    Also, I watched some of the highlights and on a couple of sacks and the pick six, Rogers had 4 seconds or more to throw the ball.

    Yeah the o line didn't play great, but Will also held onto the ball too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by louisvilledawg View Post
    Also, I watched some of the highlights and on a couple of sacks and the pick six, Rogers had 4 seconds or more to throw the ball.

    Yeah the o line didn't play great, but Will also held onto the ball too long.
    Will is not an All American but his accuracy is something we haven't seen since Dak 2014-15. He just needs to have better pocket awareness and he has to take more of those 6-8 yard runs that every team we've faced is "giving" him. Not saying he has to be Michael Vick but Peyton Manning looks to run more than Will!

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    Play like they did in the fourth quarter for an entire game. Simple as that.

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    tighten the splits. Learn from Kiffin, Briles, Lincoln Riley, Holgerson etc. This would require some humility from Leach and a willingness to adapt and put in work.

    Or he can ride out the contract at 5 million per year and retire to Key West.

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    The OL played poorly. No doubt about it. Rodgers holding the ball is an issue as well. If he is holding the ball more than 4 seconds, he should be unloading a 30 yard throw.

    1. Get to 35-40% called running plays. Add jet sweep actions and HB Dive plays. We have to get their LBs and DL guessing what is happening. NOthing we are doing right now forces any of them to do any thinking or adjusting. They twist, blitz, etc and are correct 80%+ of the time. All DL players are pinning their ears back. LBs are just dropping and watching and we are not hitting our players in the windows when they are still moving. Everyone has to dead stop to get a completion against a zone.

    2. Roll the QB out sometimes? Seems like we do nothing to force the DBs to adjust their defensive placement.

    3. QB needs to get the ball out faster. Take Ole Miss for instance. They use the mesh point to move the LBs out of the way. Quick slant all day. When they do hand it off, they are gone before the defense can adjust, because they are all trying to play zone. Exactly how they attack our offense, but UM is looking to attack full speed every play. They have a window and their QB drills it. Not unlike our game last year against LSU, except they are doing it against a zone defense instead of man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedy1972 View Post
    Will is not an All American but his accuracy is something we haven't seen since Dak 2014-15. He just needs to have better pocket awareness and he has to take more of those 6-8 yard runs that every team we've faced is "giving" him. Not saying he has to be Michael Vick but Peyton Manning looks to run more than Will!
    Tom Brady looks to run more than Will. It would help if the LB and DE had to account on him running. Opportunities would abound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indndawg View Post
    Short of kidnapping Bama's line
    The season has started so I don't know how much could be done to "fix" it outside of just letting them learn through the season.

    Will needs to tuck it and run a lot more if there is no one open on the 2nd read. Just get those 4-5 yards. Doesn't seem like much but with the gaps he has to run through he could just about march us down the field doing that. Eventually they will have to load more men in the box with that approach or put a spy on him which frees someone up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead View Post
    The OL played poorly. No doubt about it. Rodgers holding the ball is an issue as well. If he is holding the ball more than 4 seconds, he should be unloading a 30 yard throw.

    1. Get to 35-40% called running plays. Add jet sweep actions and HB Dive plays. We have to get their LBs and DL guessing what is happening. NOthing we are doing right now forces any of them to do any thinking or adjusting. They twist, blitz, etc and are correct 80%+ of the time. All DL players are pinning their ears back. LBs are just dropping and watching and we are not hitting our players in the windows when they are still moving. Everyone has to dead stop to get a completion against a zone. Is Correct

    2. Roll the QB out sometimes? Seems like we do nothing to force the DBs to adjust their defensive placement.

    3. QB needs to get the ball out faster. Take Ole Miss for instance. They use the mesh point to move the LBs out of the way. Quick slant all day. When they do hand it off, they are gone before the defense can adjust, because they are all trying to play zone. Exactly how they attack our offense, but UM is looking to attack full speed every play. They have a window and their QB drills it. Not unlike our game last year against LSU, except they are doing it against a zone defense instead of man.

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    That rock has got to run much much more

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    Either shorten the splits or the backs are going to have to read the twist and rub the de going out in the pattern to give the g better positioning.

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    They played great when they actually picked up the assignments properly and that was with the wide splits. I say just keep coaching them. That was the first time these players have ever played together in a live game and they got better as the game went along, not worse.

    QB play, has to get better too. Getting the ball out in a timely manner, having better pocket awareness, stepping up and getting the ball out when there are opportunities instead of panicking, attacking more downfield, anticipating throws. All those have to get better. Thing is, all those things happened in the 4th qtr at a much better rate. People forget that Rogers is just a sophomore and only starting his 6th game.

    Running the ball will help, either by him or the RB's. The RB's averaged 6 yards a carry this past game. That's pretty darn good and you may have seen more of it had the game score been different.

    One thing to remember, when you drop back 50 times a game, you will have some sacks and INT's too. They actually are having fewer sacks per pass play than they have had in years past. I don't think this OL is as bad as I thought it was after seeing Matt's film study. It was bad, but what happened does look like it's addressable. We better hope so or it's going to be a long year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thf24 View Post
    Play like they did in the fourth quarter for an entire game. Simple as that.
    This.

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    [QUOTE=Hot Rock;1359007 ..... It was bad, but what happened does look like it's addressable.[/QUOTE]


    This. As bad as it was, it appeared to be mental (as in not knowing assignments or lack of communication) which can be coached. On the other hand, if the pressure was because our O-linemen were getting their shit pushed in, then that would be a cause for panic. As it is, there is hope that they can be coached up and get better as the season goes on.

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    A lot of that was Will holding on to the ball too long. Mjoelner sent me some screen grabs where we had receivers running open all day long and they weren't getting the ball. Wyatt's film study showed the same thing. Yes, the line had some communication issues at times that led to pressure, but I'd say 65-70% was Will sitting on the ball like he was trying to see what would hatch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by louisvilledawg View Post
    Also, I watched some of the highlights and on a couple of sacks and the pick six, Rogers had 4 seconds or more to throw the ball.

    Yeah the o line didn't play great, but Will also held onto the ball too long.
    You saw that too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg View Post
    A lot of that was Will holding on to the ball too long. Mjoelner sent me some screen grabs where we had receivers running open all day long and they weren't getting the ball. Wyatt's film study showed the same thing. Yes, the line had some communication issues at times that led to pressure, but I'd say 65-70% was Will sitting on the ball like he was trying to see what would hatch.
    Agree with you. Some offenses prioritize the quarterback get rid of the ball to keep the O line from bad fortune. The same offenses demand that the receivers win their routes and that does not mean counting steps and running geometry. There is a lot more to it than that. There is no justice when receivers fail to execute the required technique to get positioned and then fail to win the contested ball also, yet the O line gets grief when the quarterback has to hold on to the ball?

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    How do offensive linemen communicate who to pick when a defense stunts, twists, etc?

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    I know what Brian Kelly would say.**


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    Put #69 on the bench.

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