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Another No Hitter
No hitters on back to back days for the first time since 1969.
6th no no of the season. Kluber does it for the Yanks against the Rangers.
2 against the Mariners.
2 against the Indians.
2 against the Rangers.
Single season record is 8 in 1884.
First Yankees no hitter since 1999 and their first in the road since 1951.
What a crazy season so far.
Oh, and Kershaw has another one goin thru 3 against the D-Backs
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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I keep thinking at some point hitters will adjust and change their approach. Getting no hit used to be an embarrassment. Now it's become more commonplace and it doesn't seem like it bothers folks as much as it used to.
I remember as a Braves fan when Randy Johnson no hit us. I was embarrassed for a long time after that even with it being against one of the best pitchers to ever to play the game.
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
No hitters on back to back days for the first time since 1969.
6th no no of the season. Kluber does it for the Yanks against the Rangers.
2 against the Mariners.
2 against the Indians.
2 against the Rangers.
Single season record is 8 in 1884.
First Yankees no hitter since 1999 and their first in the road since 1951.
What a crazy season so far.
Oh, and Kershaw has another one goin thru 3 against the D-Backs
Peacock has a no hitter (maybe perfect) through 3 for the Diamondbacks as well in the same game.
Kershaw just gave up a 2 run shot
Last edited by Really Clark?; 05-19-2021 at 09:58 PM.
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through three is not a thing...through six, maybe
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Originally Posted by
Schultzy
through three is not a thing...through six, maybe
On a day when one has already been thrown, it’s worth noting that there could be another in the works. 2 on the same days has only happened twice in MLB history.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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It ain’t in the works after 3
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Move the mound to 61' 6"
Ban the infield shift
Severely punish foreign substances that increase spin rate.
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Originally Posted by
Rex54
Move the mound to 61' 6"
Ban the infield shift
Severely punish foreign substances that increase spin rate.
No too much hitter advantage
No learn to go the other way
I can go with this but they are trying to catch them I guess. It's just hard to prove
Hitters have become hr or bust. That's the problem. Not the mound and not the shift. The reason the shift is in is Bc everyone is up there pull happy trying to hit jacks. That's why we are at a modern day low of league Ba at 232. That's a joke. Crying shame really. But as long as hr hitters get paid a premium and people don't get paid for being tiny Gwynn at an equal rate that's what's going to happen. No different than hoops being a 3 point contest. Makes for a crappy level of basketball but that's what it is and ii isn't changing.
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Originally Posted by
Homedawg
No too much hitter advantage
No learn to go the other way
I can go with this but they are trying to catch them I guess. It's just hard to prove
Hitters have become hr or bust. That's the problem. Not the mound and not the shift. The reason the shift is in is Bc everyone is up there pull happy trying to hit jacks. That's why we are at a modern day low of league Ba at 232. That's a joke. Crying shame really. But as long as hr hitters get paid a premium and people don't get paid for being tiny Gwynn at an equal rate that's what's going to happen. No different than hoops being a 3 point contest. Makes for a crappy level of basketball but that's what it is and ii isn't changing.
Yep. All of this.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Yep. All of this.
Nope. Bad diagnosis. You two can play the old man "get off my lawn" all you want but if you want actual change to occur you'll implement what I said.
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Originally Posted by
Rex54
Nope. Bad diagnosis. You two can play the old man "get off my lawn" all you want but if you want actual change to occur you'll implement what I said.
Can you explain what was factual incorrect about Homedawg's statement?
Because every bit of it is true.
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Originally Posted by
Rex54
Nope. Bad diagnosis. You two can play the old man "get off my lawn" all you want but if you want actual change to occur you'll implement what I said.
Awful cocksure of yourself considering how off the mark you are in many ways on the game. Was that Hatcher crow any good? Because we both know who had that situation nailed, from the eye test and from the analytics standpoint. It wasn’t you.
I actually don’t mind looking at the mound distance experiment, which they are doing in the minor league right now. And of course trying to catch them using foreign substance is already a given...if they can catch them. The shift is beatable so while I don’t like it, we don’t ban defensive schemes in other sports. You want to see it gone, beat it, don’t ban it. The Braves last night and Austin Riley has been for the last several games, actually used an approach at the plate last night and executed it that beat the shift. It can be done. Riley’s average is much higher this year so far using a better approach and tweaking his bat path. While his HR’s are down, everybody would take his approach and execution today over his last 2 years.
But here is the question, what is your end goal for pushing the mound back a foot and banning the shift? Just more offense? In the end I don’t like leagues forcing game shifts by rules instead of allowing the players and coaches to find creative and innovative ways to win. If the game needs to move the mound back, it needs to be for several reasons, safety, game playability, offense, pitcher craft work, etc.
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Originally Posted by
Rex54
Look, it takes a certain IQ level to understand the concept of "they do what they do to maximize runs in this environment." You could change approaches to a "try to beat the shift or bunt" but you would get worse actual run results if the ENVIRONMENT doesn't change, the environment being mound distance, spin rates, and shifts. It's a big-brain vs small-brain discussion. Smootness for example is fairly big-brain on the topic. Clark, Commercecomet, and Todd, small brain.
The difference is that everyone you listed here is actually able to remain civil and have a very good point/counter-point debate with each other. They have all made good points on both sides of the argument, and have managed to do so while being civil to each other.
You, on the other hand, actually add no meaningful content to the discussion and just hurl child-like insults whenever someone disagrees with you. You insinuate that you are the smartest person in the room. You need to humble yourself, and consider that maybe you're not. Most members of this board are college educated people with technical degrees. Everyone on here is likely very smart. Your baseless insults make you come across like a 5 year old brat stomping their foot or laying on the ground crying. It certainly doesn't paint you as the smartest person in the room.
I have no doubt you've studied baseball a lot, and that you have a lot of good knowledge to bring to the table. However, no one is going to listen to you if you can't be civil with it.
I'll take my own advice and stop here.
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Originally Posted by
PMDawg
The difference is that everyone you listed here is actually able to remain civil and have a very good point/counter-point debate with each other. They have all made good points on both sides of the argument, and have managed to do so while being civil to each other.
You, on the other hand, actually add no meaningful content to the discussion and just hurl child-like insults whenever someone disagrees with you. You insinuate that you are the smartest person in the room. You need to humble yourself, and consider that maybe you're not. Most members of this board are college educated people with technical degrees. Everyone on here is likely very smart. Your baseless insults make you come across like a 5 year old brat stomping their foot or laying on the ground crying. It certainly doesn't paint you as the smartest person in the room.
I have no doubt you've studied baseball a lot, and that you have a lot of good knowledge to bring to the table. However, no one is going to listen to you if you can't be civil with it.
I'll take my own advice and stop here.
I don't really "study the game" that much, mostly been a casual Braves fan over the years. I just loathe what analytics has done to all sports. You can't even watch MLB anymore. I wish we could see the league leaders around 80 stolen bases, 50 HR, .360 averages, and 10 K/9. I miss hit-and-runs, squeeze plays, etc. I miss the mid-range jump shot. I miss the I-formation. I'm not interested in time-wasting discussions on the problems being the hitter's approaches when they have no choice but to take those approaches to win games. That's the message that needs to be hammered home and the prism which this needs to be looked at. Environment necessitates approach. Blindly saying "durrr just change approach" is nonproductive.
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Originally Posted by
Rex54
I don't really "study the game" that much, mostly been a casual Braves fan over the years. I just loathe what analytics has done to all sports. You can't even watch MLB anymore. I wish we could see the league leaders around 80 stolen bases, 50 HR, .360 averages, and 10 K/9. I miss hit-and-runs, squeeze plays, etc. I miss the mid-range jump shot. I miss the I-formation. I'm not interested in time-wasting discussions on the problems being the hitter's approaches when they have no choice but to take those approaches to win games. That's the message that needs to be hammered home and the prism which this needs to be looked at. Environment necessitates approach. Blindly saying "durrr just change approach" is nonproductive.
Sounds like a personal problem, not a baseball problem, that MLB is not living up to your arbitrary personal preferences.
Analytics have been part of baseball since the 1800s. The only difference now is the computing power.
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Originally Posted by
Quaoarsking
Sounds like a personal problem, not a baseball problem, that MLB is not living up to your arbitrary personal preferences.
Analytics have been part of baseball since the 1800s. The only difference now is the computing power.
Well it seems that it's absolutely a baseball problem since the leadership of the game is looking at how to remedy the problem. You may be fine watching 6 hit, 30 strikeout games but that's boring as hell to me and the vast majority.
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Originally Posted by
Rex54
Which would make the HR even more optimal.
The issue with MLB isn't a lack of runs - League ERA is up three quarters of a run in the last decade. To win games you have to play the way we are seeing. The idea of changing approaches would be laughed at, "what do you want us to start losing?"
The issue with baseball is that it's become an incredibly boring product with the BB/K/HR approach. Same as the NBA with the 3. Analytics aren't going away so you need to use the rules to make the most optimal analytical approach ALSO be the most enjoyable form a fan/viewer perspective.
More runs were scored in the late 90s and early 2000s than now. Baseball is a game of constant adjustment. This launch angle stuff will go another direction soon (In reality, it's about the same thing Ted Williams was doing, minus the dead pull hitters). Generally every 5 to 10 years change comes in the form of adjustments to what pitchers are doing and what hitters are doing.
Last edited by Cooterpoot; 05-20-2021 at 05:10 PM.
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Almost all sports are pretty much unwatchable these days. A lot of it has to do with politics. They should really work on fixing that first.
As far as baseball goes, back the mound up as suggested, have a DH in both leagues, and see what happens. Go from there.
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https://twitter.com/Seth_3773/status...48218083807238
Here's a link to a former MLB pitcher explaining his take on things.
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I think I'll listen to Donnie Baseball about this topic
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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