Rumor is Leiter...

[TNDawg35]

Rumor is Leiter is done for the year. Corbin is playing damage control and told everyone he is monitoring his workload, but the decision came a couple hours before his start. Rumor is he was having arm ?soreness? the last couple weeks, but he wanted to pitch. Big blow for Vandy if so.

[Todd4State]

Will have a major impact on the postseason. You could see someone sneak out of the Vandy regional now.

[Cooterpoot]

They basically beat us without him. Vandy will still be good. Not as good, but good.
But, there are some other rumors up there too, and if true, would end any hope for them.

[BeardoMSU]

They basically beat us without him. Vandy will still be good. Not as good, but good.
But, there are some other rumors up there too, and if true, would end any hope for them.

Kumar?

[Todd4State]

They basically beat us without him. Vandy will still be good. Not as good, but good.
But, there are some other rumors up there too, and if true, would end any hope for them.

Yes. In Nashville. I like our odds against them at Dudy Noble, Hoover, or Omaha.

[BiscuitEater]

They basically beat us without him. Vandy will still be good. Not as good, but good.
But, there are some other rumors up there too, and if true, would end any hope for them.

Thought that MSU actually faced Leiter AND won the game! Someone said that it was 'first' SEC loss in two years with Vandy!

And 'IF' you think his loss won't affect their post season, you are delusional.

[TALL DAWG]

Thought that MSU actually faced Leiter AND won the game! Someone said that it was 'first' SEC loss in two years with Vandy!

And 'IF' you think his loss won't affect their post season, you are delusional.

Well, for a guy with a bad arm Leiter just wore the Sharks smooth out. I think Corbin mislead everyone on Leiter.

[BeardoMSU]

Well, for a guy with a bad arm Leiter just wore the Sharks smooth out. I think Corbin mislead everyone on Leiter.

Yeah, had we not gotten clowned ourselves this weekend, I might've taken some joy in seeing him literally deep dick OM down to the hilt today. Tomorrows a big game in that series. I'm curious if OM were to win how far they'd jump...

[KOdawg1]

Looking more and more like Arky and us vs. the field

[BeardoMSU]

Looking more and more like Arky and us vs. the field

Hopefully they'll be on the otherside of the bracket.

[Barkman Turner Overdrive]

Hopefully they'll be on the otherside of the bracket.

And would be even better if Vandy is on the same side of the bracket with them.

[SteelCurtain74]

I said back when he threw the no hitter against SC that he had thrown 220 pitches in the last two starts and that might come back to bite them I was informed by Rex54 and Brunswick that it wasn't a big deal. Apparently it is a big deal and the effects are coming home to roost.

[Rex54]

I said back when he threw the no hitter against SC that he had thrown 220 pitches in the last two starts and that might come back to bite them I was informed by Rex54 and Brunswick that it wasn't a big deal. Apparently it is a big deal and the effects are coming home to roost.

Does every pitcher that throws 220 pitches in two starts end up hurt?
Do pitchers that do not throw 220 pitches in back to back starts ever get hurt?

Sometimes shit happens. Take a look at the number of pitches thrown in Dakota Hudson's starts in 2016
https://msstate_ftp.sidearmsports.co...16/plyr_25.htm

Right out of the gate he goes 94, 102, 105, 120, 126 - well hell by your logic he should have been having surgery by April.

[basedog]

Does every pitcher that throws 220 pitches in two starts end up hurt?
Do pitchers that do not throw 220 pitches in back to back starts ever get hurt?

Sometimes shit happens. Take a look at the number of pitches thrown in Dakota Hudson's starts in 2016
https://msstate_ftp.sidearmsports.co...16/plyr_25.htm

Right out of the gate he goes 94, 102, 105, 120, 126 - well hell by your logic he should have been having surgery by April.

You have to keep in mind how many pitchers are throwing at a young age and this Travel Ball stuff. I can tell you that I know one young pitcher who had some issues at 14 years arm, he was taken to Dr Andrews clinic in B'ham. They determined he had a "growing spurt" because he just started pitching and he needed to lay off for a few months and let mother nature take its course if you get it. So it's a lot of things with arms, youth, mechanics, strength and so many other factors. More pitchers don't have surgery than ones that do. But over using or too many pitches is a huge problem. Rest and good mechanics is a great start.
Me myself and family, are very thankful for Msu coaches and how they are handling pitchers.

[Really Clark?]

Does every pitcher that throws 220 pitches in two starts end up hurt?
Do pitchers that do not throw 220 pitches in back to back starts ever get hurt?

Sometimes shit happens. Take a look at the number of pitches thrown in Dakota Hudson's starts in 2016
https://msstate_ftp.sidearmsports.co...16/plyr_25.htm

Right out of the gate he goes 94, 102, 105, 120, 126 - well hell by your logic he should have been having surgery by April.

Dakota is a bad comparison though. Different body, different mechanics, different pitch type and effort. Hudson was a 2 seam sinker pitcher with 115 K’s that year in 113 innings, Leiter is a max effort guy with much smaller frame looking to K everyone. He already has almost as many K’s (106) in 64 innings has Hudson had his entire 2016 season in 113 innings.

[SteelCurtain74]

Does every pitcher that throws 220 pitches in two starts end up hurt?
Do pitchers that do not throw 220 pitches in back to back starts ever get hurt?

Sometimes shit happens. Take a look at the number of pitches thrown in Dakota Hudson's starts in 2016
https://msstate_ftp.sidearmsports.co...16/plyr_25.htm

Right out of the gate he goes 94, 102, 105, 120, 126 - well hell by your logic he should have been having surgery by April.

Well first, my statement was made in March after he made his first SEC start of the year. I simply stated that the decision to let him throw that many pitches may come back to haunt them and it has. Second, it was 54 degrees that day in Nashville plus the game was already in hand. SC wasn't coming back.

How you make the leap from my statement to somehow comparing it to what Dakota Hudson did FIVE years ago or comparing to every other pitcher that throws 220 pitches is quite curious. My statement had nothing to do with the number of pitches but more of the timing of when that number of pitches were being thrown. If he was throwing that number of pitches this weekend and next weekend, it wouldn't be an issue for me.

[BB30]

I said back when he threw the no hitter against SC that he had thrown 220 pitches in the last two starts and that might come back to bite them I was informed by Rex54 and Brunswick that it wasn't a big deal. Apparently it is a big deal and the effects are coming home to roost.

110 pitches in an outing isn't a huge workload and if he can't handle that over what 15-16 starts it's going to be tough being asked to log 180+ innings in the big leagues when the average pitch count per successful start is between 90-115 pitches.

The bigger problem is stressful long innings.

Id rather a guy throw 9 complete and finish around 110-120 pitches than a guy go 4 and log 75 pitches due to having a rough more strenuous inning or two. If a guy is cruising and most of his pitches are in low stress situations you probably won't see any arm issues directly related to pitch count.

[Homedawg]

110 pitches in an outing isn't a huge workload and if he can't handle that over what 15-16 starts it's going to be tough being asked to log 180+ innings in the big leagues when the average pitch count per successful start is between 90-115 pitches.

The bigger problem is stressful long innings.

Id rather a guy throw 9 complete and finish around 110-120 pitches than a guy go 4 and log 75 pitches due to having a rough more strenuous inning or two. If a guy is cruising and most of his pitches are in low stress situations you probably won't see any arm issues directly related to pitch count.

This. Any inning 25 pitches plus is way more damaging. Especially if followed by another long inning. Good post

[BrunswickDawg]

I said back when he threw the no hitter against SC that he had thrown 220 pitches in the last two starts and that might come back to bite them I was informed by Rex54 and Brunswick that it wasn't a big deal. Apparently it is a big deal and the effects are coming home to roost.

Yep - I was wrong. I didn't make any eating crow statements though, so I'll stick with tacos tonight.

[Cowbell]

Corbin and Bianco making it harder on the rest of us to talk kids into coming to school.