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Originally Posted by
WinningIsRelentless
Word is, from very reliable sources , that he only heard from leach one time during the recruiting cycle.
After he was given the opportunity to shut it down and get fully committed.
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Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
That may be the case but it does not change the fact he wasnt 100 with us. Leach doesnt do the recruiting drama we knew this when we hired him. Majority of recruiting drama kids dont pan out see Jarrian Jones
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Originally Posted by
msstate7
Gotta deal with some drama for certain guys. Could you imagine trying to win in the nfl without some bat shit crazy wrs? (Sorta playing, sorta not)
Exactly. Certain ones. Comparing Bug Strong to 5 players mentioned is Apples to oranges. It’s a juco kid who will be good but nothing close to those mentioned.
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Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
That may be the case but it does not change the fact he wasnt 100 with us. Leach doesnt do the recruiting drama we knew this when we hired him. Majority of recruiting drama kids dont pan out see Jarrian Jones
It also appears to the kids that you aren?t 100% in on them also.
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Originally Posted by
preachermatt83
After he was given the opportunity to shut it down and get fully committed.
No during the whole recruiting process. This one is 100% on Leach.
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Originally Posted by
WinningIsRelentless
No during the whole recruiting process. This one is 100% on Leach.
And your negative point is ??
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Originally Posted by
Offshore Dawg
And your negative point is ??
Recruiting is like dating/marriage, if you don?t keep showing affirmation someone then you stand a big chance of losing them.
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Originally Posted by
WinningIsRelentless
No during the whole recruiting process. This one is 100% on Leach.
ouch that hurts.
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Originally Posted by
WinningIsRelentless
Recruiting is like dating/marriage, if you don?t keep showing affirmation someone then you stand a big chance of losing them.
mullen liked to say it was like shaving. if you skip one day, you look like a bum.
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Originally Posted by
preachermatt83
They will be the same caliber kids that have always come to state.
Some of those guys were recruiting drama guys.
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
QB - I don't see Abraham transferring out & he'll push Will but I believe Will starts.
WR - I don't expect Payton outside when everyone is healthy.
OL - I could see Lashley starting over Kam Jones but who do you have Nick Jones starting over?
LB - Brule is too valuable at WLB to move to MLB
CB - I still expect us to sign a CB out of the portal as the 3rd CB & Richardson can come along at a slower pace.
S - By opening day I expect Green, Peters, & Preston as the 3 starters. I expect Duncan to play a lot also & we'll see on everybody else.
PR - I could see Walley or Rufus
Abraham is coming to start. I can't see him staying around if he doesn't. Which is why he is a walk-on that can earn a scholarship by winning the job.
Probably on Payton. Good to have someone with versatility though. We'll see a rotation of 8-10 receivers every game once Leach gets established.
I think Jones starts over Sharp.
Br?l?e is one of the best leaders on the team and Arnett has mentioned looking at him at MLB. He is good at Will but he is versatile and good enough to play both wherever he is needed.
We're talking about a third corner. So by nature Richardson is going to be brought along slowly anyway. Green can play corner as well. I don't think it's as big a need as some think. There is a lot of MSU fan see it to believe it with that position going on.
We have better depth at safety than people realize. Goes back to how healthy Morgan really is.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Abraham is coming to start. I can't see him staying around if he doesn't. Which is why he is a walk-on that can earn a scholarship by winning the job.
Probably on Payton. Good to have someone with versatility though. We'll see a rotation of 8-10 receivers every game once Leach gets established.
I think Jones starts over Sharp.
Br?l?e is one of the best leaders on the team and Arnett has mentioned looking at him at MLB. He is good at Will but he is versatile and good enough to play both wherever he is needed.
We're talking about a third corner. So by nature Richardson is going to be brought along slowly anyway. Green can play corner as well. I don't think it's as big a need as some think. There is a lot of MSU fan see it to believe it with that position going on.
We have better depth at safety than people realize. Goes back to how healthy Morgan really is.
We'll see but I don't see Abraham leaving.
Sharp has been arguably our best OL so far this spring. I don't see Nick Jones starting.
Brule isn't really physical enough to hold down the MLB & that makes 2 spots weaker moving him from WLB.
A 3rd CB is 100% needed. The fact we're going after every DB that hits the portal tells you the coaches think the same.
Preston & Duncan progress like they should we have 4 legit safeties. Morgan & Lawrence & Dean & Croft can provide depth.
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Originally Posted by
RiverCityDawg
Pretty sure Payton was only taking outside reps because Tulu and Ducking were a little banged up and held out. I'll be shocked if he plays inside and out during the season, barring more injuries, especially with 3 outside receivers joining in the summer.
I'll believe in Lashley when I see it. He's been in college for 100 years and never contributed. It's always something with him.
Well, if by "always something" you mean he spent most of his career sitting behind better athletes at Alabama, and was injured last year, then yes, it's always been something with him. Now I don't expect him to be all SEC or anything, but I would not have been shocked if he started for us last year, and I won't be shocked if he starts for us this year. I am guessing he's either going to be a backup or a weak link starter for us.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Abraham is coming to start. I can't see him staying around if he doesn't. Which is why he is a walk-on that can earn a scholarship by winning the job.
Probably on Payton. Good to have someone with versatility though. We'll see a rotation of 8-10 receivers every game once Leach gets established.
I think Jones starts over Sharp.
Br?l?e is one of the best leaders on the team and Arnett has mentioned looking at him at MLB. He is good at Will but he is versatile and good enough to play both wherever he is needed.
We're talking about a third corner. So by nature Richardson is going to be brought along slowly anyway. Green can play corner as well. I don't think it's as big a need as some think. There is a lot of MSU fan see it to believe it with that position going on.
We have better depth at safety than people realize. Goes back to how healthy Morgan really is.
Why would Abraham come to state if he was dead set on starting? I guess he could look to transfer to a DII school last second or something if it becomes clear he isn't going to be the starter sometime this summer? But it seems like if he wanted to start, he wouldn't have transferred to a P5 school with a returning starter.
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Originally Posted by
Johnson85
Why would Abraham come to state if he was dead set on starting? I guess he could look to transfer to a DII school last second or something if it becomes clear he isn't going to be the starter sometime this summer? But it seems like if he wanted to start, he wouldn't have transferred to a P5 school with a returning starter.
That's just how the portal culture is. If you're a player that is transferring the vast majority of the time you're going somewhere that you can start. Competitors think that they can win anything. And I'm sure Abraham feels like he is capable of beating out Rogers. Abraham is following the same blueprint as Gardner Minchew.
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
That's just how the portal culture is. If you're a player that is transferring the vast majority of the time you're going somewhere that you can start. Competitors think that they can win anything. And I'm sure Abraham feels like he is capable of beating out Rogers. Abraham is following the same blueprint as Gardner Minchew.
He?s coming to learn Leach system to help his future coaching career.
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
Chris Jones, Nakobe Dean, Cam Akers, Willie Gay, Raekwon Davis, & countless others disagree. Recruiting drama doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Just like there are plenty of no nonsense kids who can't play.
I dont remember those kids committing and decommitting 3 or 4 times. I remember Willie Gay was ? committed? to OM at one point and maybe Davis. There is a difference
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Originally Posted by
Todd4State
Abraham is coming to start. I can't see him staying around if he doesn't. Which is why he is a walk-on that can earn a scholarship by winning the job.
Probably on Payton. Good to have someone with versatility though. We'll see a rotation of 8-10 receivers every game once Leach gets established.
I think Jones starts over Sharp.
Br?l?e is one of the best leaders on the team and Arnett has mentioned looking at him at MLB. He is good at Will but he is versatile and good enough to play both wherever he is needed.
We're talking about a third corner. So by nature Richardson is going to be brought along slowly anyway. Green can play corner as well. I don't think it's as big a need as some think. There is a lot of MSU fan see it to believe it with that position going on.
We have better depth at safety than people realize. Goes back to how healthy Morgan really is.
Abraham isnt starting hate to tell you. He came for Leach and Leach will always play the best one so in a way I guess youre right but he knew his chances of beating Will werent very good
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Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
I dont remember those kids committing and decommitting 3 or 4 times. I remember Willie Gay was ? committed? to OM at one point and maybe Davis. There is a difference
Multiple commitments isn't the only recruiting drama which is the phrase you used. Chris Jones only committed once & it was months before signing day but he may be the biggest recruiting drama in MSU history. If you want elite talent you're going to have to deal with the drama sometimes.
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One type of drama that absolutely has a relatively clear pattern of busting are specifically those who play OM's cutesy orchestrated flip game. That obviously wasn't the case for most of the names mentioned in the last few posts, though.
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