Howland continues his path at Stands level- makes NIT

[confucius say]

Yeah I had had too much cough medicine when I posted that

On a serious note, hope the heart is better

[Coach34]

On a serious note, hope the heart is better

Thanks man. I've been very lucky healthwise in my life until 2021. Started BP meds, severe sleep apnea, and cataract surgery ahead this summer. If gray hair starts moving in I dont know wtf I'll do.

[TrapGame]

Thanks man. I've been very lucky healthwise in my life until 2021. Started BP meds, severe sleep apnea, and cataract surgery ahead this summer. If gray hair starts moving in I dont know wtf I'll do.

Cataracts are my jam bruh. PM me if you need a good surgeon.

[confucius say]

shannondog would have approved this message! RIP to one of the better Basketball donors, he loved Stans. I miss his friendship.

Ahhh yea. Man that's sad. How did he pass?

[BeardoMSU]

These "Stans" threads remind me of the scene in The Godfather where Clemenza tells Michael "it's been 10 years since the last one [war]"..."but these things have to happen to get rid of the bad blood". It's literally the exact same thing year after year, lol....'cept unfortunately, it's not every 10 years, but every 10 minutes (at least it feels like it).

[confucius say]

Thanks man. I've been very lucky healthwise in my life until 2021. Started BP meds, severe sleep apnea, and cataract surgery ahead this summer. If gray hair starts moving in I dont know wtf I'll do.

Well hang in there. Exercise and eat right my man.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Too bad we aren?t talking about some real ?coaches? we can hire like Pat Kelsey, Darian DeVries or Wes Miller. Instead, we are constantly talking about which ?recruiter? under achieves more

[HailStateSZN19]

Too bad we aren?t talking about some real ?coaches? we can hire like Pat Kelsey, Darian DeVries or Wes Miller. Instead, we are constantly talking about which ?recruiter? under achieves more

Tune in Saturday at 11:45 on TruTV and watch Wes Miller and UNCG give FSU all they want with 1 player on his team that would be a contributor for FSU. Dude is a hell of a coach. He?ll be gone after this off-season I?d bet. If not and Howland retires after next year, he?s gotta be #1 on the list. Would he take it? Idk but you take a swing.

[BiscuitEater]

BS.. OM has a better coach and be head coach just like his Dad was...

Yea, that's what I was AFRAID of! I was at MSU during his tenure. He was almost Rick Ray bad. Didn't even have a total winning record in his 7 year MSU career (50%)! Won 34.9 % of SEC games (42-82)


Kermit Davis Miss State 1971 1977 7 182 91 91 .500 126 44 82 .349

[PGHBulldogBG]

Kermit Davis Jr is miles ahead of Howland as an in game floor coach. Now recruiting is a different story. He can?t seem to get that going at Ole Miss, although I?m not sure Howland could do that their with their awful hoops tradition. I give him tons of credit though for taking over a train wreck team left by Kennedy and taking them to the NCAA in his first year after they were picked last in the SEC. Anyone who thought hiring Ray over Kermit Jr must?ve been dropped on their head as a kid

[Ari Gold]

Kermit Davis Jr is miles ahead of Howland as an in game floor coach. Now recruiting is a different story. He can?t seem to get that going at Ole Miss, although I?m not sure Howland could do that their with their awful hoops tradition. I give him tons of credit though for taking over a train wreck team left by Kennedy and taking them to the NCAA in his first year after they were picked last in the SEC. Anyone who thought hiring Ray over Kermit Jr must?ve been dropped on their head as a kid

Easy with the train wreck and their hoops tradition isn’t much worse than ours.. I’m not sure what happened to AK his last year it was bad , but that team Kermit got was very good.
Shuler, and a Sr in Stevens
With Tyree and a pro in Davis

Did they over achieve? Yeah a little
But then he comes back in year 2 and lays a turd. With Tyree / Shuler and his guys

Again with this the game has passed Ben , and his style of play sucks ... His offense is as good or better than Kermit’s .
I agree I wish he would switch up his defense more and he may have to next year with Ado gone because Smith is an average at best defender . We will have to get up and down the court better next year and I think we will and Tulo will be much better on offense without Ado at the 5 , but he will be greatly missed on the defensive end

Also if I remember correctly ever one bitching and moaning a few years ago when we prob lead the league in 3 point shot attempts.. people saying all we do is jack up 3s. this sucks

Again If Ben retires after the season or next season that’s fine.. Cohen just better be able to make the right hire.

And yes kermit would have been a better hire than RR , but Kermit Davis Probaly isn’t going to be the guy to get you to that next level.. is CBH ?? Maybe not here but his resume says yes. We gave Stands what 14 seasons he never did it.

If you want to get to the next level in college hoops your coach has to both recruit and develop guys for the NBA
Howland In 6 years . 3 nba guys drafted with Stewart and Molinar 2 in waiting which will make possibly 5 in 7 years .. and all were recruited here no transfers.
Before that I think it was maybe 6 over a 20 year span and all of these guys had limited at best careers and 2 were transfers
Zimmerman
Swat
Austin
Roberts
Tyrone Washington
And I guess Moultrie

[Bulldog1]

Easy with the train wreck and their hoops tradition isn’t much worse than ours.. I’m not sure what happened to AK his last year it was bad , but that team Kermit got was very good.
Shuler, and a Sr in Stevens
With Tyree and a pro in Davis

Did they over achieve? Yeah a little
But then he comes back in year 2 and lays a turd. With Tyree / Shuler and his guys

Again with this the game has passed Ben , and his style of play sucks ... His offense is as good or better than Kermit’s .
I agree I wish he would switch up his defense more and he may have to next year with Ado gone because Smith is an average at best defender . We will have to get up and down the court better next year and I think we will and Tulo will be much better on offense without Ado at the 5 , but he will be greatly missed on the defensive end

Also if I remember correctly ever one bitching and moaning a few years ago when we prob lead the league in 3 point shot attempts.. people saying all we do is jack up 3s. this sucks

Again If Ben retires after the season or next season that’s fine.. Cohen just better be able to make the right hire.

And yes kermit would have been a better hire than RR , but Kermit Davis Probaly isn’t going to be the guy to get you to that next level.. is CBH ?? Maybe not here but his resume says yes. We gave Stands what 14 seasons he never did it.

If you want to get to the next level in college hoops your coach has to both recruit and develop guys for the NBA
Howland In 6 years . 3 nba guys drafted with Stewart and Molinar 2 in waiting which will make possibly 5 in 7 years .. and all were recruited here no transfers.
Before that I think it was maybe 6 over a 20 year span and all of these guys had limited at best careers and 2 were transfers
Zimmerman
Swat
Austin
Roberts
Tyrone Washington
And I guess Moultrie

Agree. But right now I'm not sure who I want to replace him.

[msstate7]

Kermit Davis Jr is miles ahead of Howland as an in game floor coach. Now recruiting is a different story. He can?t seem to get that going at Ole Miss, although I?m not sure Howland could do that their with their awful hoops tradition. I give him tons of credit though for taking over a train wreck team left by Kennedy and taking them to the NCAA in his first year after they were picked last in the SEC. Anyone who thought hiring Ray over Kermit Jr must?ve been dropped on their head as a kid

Train wreck? AK had a bad year his last one for sure, but the prior 3 years, AK won 20 or more. AK left Kermit Davis, tyree, and shuler. Tyree made all sec, and Davis is in the nba, not d-league/g-league/whatever.

Do you guys even pay attention to basketball? OM is not some talent-less program. Shuler and white this season are a very good tandem. Rodriquez is a lock down defender. Now if they lose those 3 players this season, we'll see how Kermit can replace them. He still hasn't gotten a guard like tyree and shuler (gifted to him)... now, ruffin might be that guy.

[BrunswickDawg]

Train wreck? AK had a bad year his last one for sure, but the prior 3 years, AK won 20 or more. AK left Kermit Davis, tyree, and shuler. Tyree made all sec, and Davis is in the nba, not d-league/g-league/whatever.

Do you guys even pay attention to basketball? OM is not some talent-less program. Shuler and white this season are a very good tandem. Rodriquez is a lock down defender. Now if they lose those 3 players this season, we'll see how Kermit can replace them. He still hasn't gotten a guard like tyree and shuler (gifted to him)... now, ruffin might be that guy.

If anything, Ole Miss shows how difficult it has become to make the NCAA since the 1 and done rule went into effect in '05 and the emergence of the mid-majors. OM won 19 or more 10 out of 12 years under Kennedy between '06 an '18. They made the dance 2 times. Similarly, we won 19 or more 7 times in the same time span (hard to believe) and made the tourney 3 times. Prior to '05ish, 19 -20 wins was almost a lock for any SEC to get in. Between '96 and '05, OM won 19 or more 6 times and made the tourney 5 while we matched them at 6 and 5.

And you are right - Kennedy did not leave the cupboard bare. He had young talent but Kennedy was a dead man walking that year and everyone knew it.

[Bulldog1]

I don't think any other coach that would come here could sign better players than Howland has done, but man his teams are so hard to watch offensively. If he is going to stay, he needs to at least hire a good x and o offensive assistant coach.

[HailStateSZN19]

Easy with the train wreck and their hoops tradition isn’t much worse than ours.. I’m not sure what happened to AK his last year it was bad , but that team Kermit got was very good.
Shuler, and a Sr in Stevens
With Tyree and a pro in Davis

Did they over achieve? Yeah a little
But then he comes back in year 2 and lays a turd. With Tyree / Shuler and his guys

Again with this the game has passed Ben , and his style of play sucks ... His offense is as good or better than Kermit’s .
I agree I wish he would switch up his defense more and he may have to next year with Ado gone because Smith is an average at best defender . We will have to get up and down the court better next year and I think we will and Tulo will be much better on offense without Ado at the 5 , but he will be greatly missed on the defensive end

Also if I remember correctly ever one bitching and moaning a few years ago when we prob lead the league in 3 point shot attempts.. people saying all we do is jack up 3s. this sucks

Again If Ben retires after the season or next season that’s fine.. Cohen just better be able to make the right hire.

And yes kermit would have been a better hire than RR , but Kermit Davis Probaly isn’t going to be the guy to get you to that next level.. is CBH ?? Maybe not here but his resume says yes. We gave Stands what 14 seasons he never did it.

If you want to get to the next level in college hoops your coach has to both recruit and develop guys for the NBA
Howland In 6 years . 3 nba guys drafted with Stewart and Molinar 2 in waiting which will make possibly 5 in 7 years .. and all were recruited here no transfers.
Before that I think it was maybe 6 over a 20 year span and all of these guys had limited at best careers and 2 were transfers
Zimmerman
Swat
Austin
Roberts
Tyrone Washington
And I guess Moultrie

I?d be shocked if Howland retired after this season. I think he gotta get to the NCAAT next season to get another year. But if he takes us to the NCAAT next season, I wouldn?t be shocked if he retired after next season. That?s just my thoughts. No inside info whatsoever.

[PGHBulldogBG]

Ill take the guy that won an SEC Title plus made the Sweet 16 and a Final Four

With less raw talent too. Williams was our last good basketball coach. I emphasize the word coach not recruiter

[msstate7]

With less raw talent too. Williams was our last good basketball coach. I emphasize the word coach not recruiter

He has the final 4 and sweet 16, so those obviously trump anything howland has done. With that said, Williams was 191-163 (.540) and 89-113 (.441) in sec. Howland is 113-81 (.582) and 51-57 (.472) in sec.

A "good basketball coach" didn't do much of anything here except when he had great talent. Now when Williams had 2 1st round picks with 1 a lottery, he made em count. Hopefully howland can get 2 1st round picks with 1 in the lottery.

[msstate7]

With less raw talent too. Williams was our last good basketball coach. I emphasize the word coach not recruiter

Huh? Stansbury never had a lottery pick much less a lottery pick with another 1st rounder

[confucius say]

With less raw talent too. Williams was our last good basketball coach. I emphasize the word coach not recruiter

Less talent? We've never had a team as talented as 96. Two first round draft picks, one of whom played in the nba 15 years, and an all sec guard in Wilson.