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    Quote Originally Posted by MedDawg View Post
    McCray went 8-23 in her first season at Old Dominion, 21-10 her second season, and 24-6 her third season (2020, the rest was cancelled).

    I'd only want her fired if we could get a known winning coach, but if we couldn't get one after Vic left and Vic making one of the highest salaries in women's bb, I don't see how we could get one now. Seeing McCray's improvement at OD, I don't want to fire McCray just to hire another just like her.
    But look at what she was working with there and here. We returned all but one starter from likely a Sweet 16 team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooterpoot View Post
    But look at what she was working with there and here. We returned all but one starter from likely a Sweet 16 team.
    That's the big difference. She had a ready made winner here and has trashed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ari Gold View Post
    You contact Matthew Mitchell right now and see if there is any interest.. if so **** all the negative feedback and press. The results speak for themselves. You fire her ass the morning after the last game.
    Mitchell would be a solid hire if he's recovered from his health issues and wants to get back into coaching. Anybody know how he's coming with his recovery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    That's the big difference. She had a ready made winner here and has trashed it.
    Yes and here lies the issue. We didn't need a new culture or whatever. What she has shown couldn't be any more disaster. No one expected her to win SEC or Final 4 but the results have been 1970s WBB at MSU bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ari Gold View Post
    You contact Matthew Mitchell right now and see if there is any interest.. if so **** all the negative feedback and press. The results speak for themselves. You fire her ass the morning after the last game.
    Pretty much agree here. I don't know if Mitchell is the answer but he may be. Who care about the bad press; we got bad press now; the press just ain't saying it. We are total trash as a program and team now. If anyone thinks the press is bad now just wait 3 years.

    All media folks can say is what a great player she was, how many years she played in WNBA, ties to Pat Summit, Dawn Staley, etc. She has done 0 as a head coach. We must quit hiring off potential unless we have no choice. MSU WBB was not in that shape. We may be at the next hire though.

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    I have to be honest. I followed WBB when they were winning titles abs going to final fours. I couldn?t care less now.

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    If we spend one extra penny than required on freaking women’s basketball all while having the lowest football recruiting budget in the conference outside of Vandy I’m going to be extremely pissed off. It’s freaking women’s basketball. We caught lightning in a bottle. Focus on sports that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William Tecumsah Sherman View Post
    I have to be honest. I followed WBB when they were winning titles abs going to final fours. I couldn?t care less now.
    Likewise, WTS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZedFedder View Post
    Likewise, WTS.
    I agree to y a point; however, when you have a nationally recognized sports program in any sport you can't let it die like this. Believe it or not it helps the entire brand of MSU. It ain't about how much money it brings in. We know who the money sports are but a program like we were in WBB built the MSU winning brand, along with baseball. It all helps football too. Anytime you can bring in national fans it does make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I don't see how non-effort is a deal. I don't follow WBK, but I see she did well at old dominion. How do you win at 1 program and then fail at one that's set up to win?

    Well VIc was a disaster as a head coach before he got to MSU...only one winning season in seven years at Sam Houston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    I don't see how non-effort is a deal. I don't follow WBK, but I see she did well at old dominion. How do you win at 1 program and then fail at one that's set up to win?
    The issue is she's got a very talented team that doesn't fit what she does. She wants up tempo and pressing, not a lot of half-court. This team isn't that. But our AD should've known this. He did what he's done in every sport but baseball (hmm) and that's tear it all down and go a different direction. It's also why some of this talent is leaving after the season.
    And I've been hard on her, but it's really John Cohen.

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    Of all of the coaching hire blunders Cohen has made, this one was absolutely the worst. I didn't feel the proper decision was being made even when the hire was done. I say that because with what Vic had already built with the culture of MSU WBB, unless you had a PROVEN POWER 5 HC that would take the job (which we didn't), it was pretty much a no brainer to have given Johnnie Harris the job. I mean, maybe she wouldn't have worked out either, but in trying to keep rolling with the winning culture you had, she was absolutely the best opportunity we had available given she was a big part in building it. Plus, in a COVID environment, she already had a close relationship with all the players and didn't have to try and build one over ZOOM calls. Just really, really didn't understand the decision at the time. Just knowing Cohen though he probably ruled Harris out because she didn't come into her interview with a 100 slide Powerpoint brief detailing her 'plan'. Just another case where Cohen outthought himself trying to be the smartest guy in the room. Sometimes you just need to use your basic common sense and do what is right in front of you. Sad part is he did give the softball job to an assistant already on staff and that seems to be working out great. And our softball program was nowhere close to the elite level of our WBB program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    Of all of the coaching hire blunders Cohen has made, this one was absolutely the worst. I didn't feel the proper decision was being made even when the hire was done. I say that because with what Vic had already built with the culture of MSU WBB, unless you had a PROVEN POWER 5 HC that would take the job (which we didn't), it was pretty much a no brainer to have given Johnnie Harris the job. I mean, maybe she wouldn't have worked out either, but in trying to keep rolling with the winning culture you had, she was absolutely the best opportunity we had available given she was a big part in building it. Plus, in a COVID environment, she already had a close relationship with all the players and didn't have to try and build one over ZOOM calls. Just really, really didn't understand the decision at the time. Just knowing Cohen though he probably ruled Harris out because she didn't come into her interview with a 100 slide Powerpoint brief detailing her 'plan'. Just another case where Cohen outthought himself trying to be the smartest guy in the room. Sometimes you just need to use your basic common sense and do what is right in front of you. Sad part is he did give the softball job to an assistant already on staff and that seems to be working out great. And our softball program was nowhere close to the elite level of our WBB program.
    I'm not disagreeing with you - but if he had hired Harris and we took a similar step back the line of criticism would be "Cohen took the lazy way out and just hired the assistant from in house."
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    Quote Originally Posted by R2Dawg View Post
    I agree to y a point; however, when you have a nationally recognized sports program in any sport you can't let it die like this. Believe it or not it helps the entire brand of MSU. It ain't about how much money it brings in. We know who the money sports are but a program like we were in WBB built the MSU winning brand, along with baseball. It all helps football too. Anytime you can bring in national fans it does make a difference.
    This is correct, but you can't spend buyout money on women's basketball unless you have good reason to think the next person you hire is going to be elite. Not really good and will keep you in the top 25. Nobody knows who the hell the 5th through 20th best women's basketball programs are. You have to think they will be elite. Looks like Matthew Mitchell might be a really good candidate if he were physically able and interested, but just looking at wikipedia, his success at UK doesn't look like it justifies firing a first year coach to hire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    I'm not disagreeing with you - but if he had hired Harris and we took a similar step back the line of criticism would be "Cohen took the lazy way out and just hired the assistant from in house."
    Maybe, but if we have EVER had a program built to allow a top assistant to move up to the top spot it was our WBB program which had never accomplished anything of note before Vic and now may never accomplish anything after. Whatever Vic created, unlike our baseball program for example, was unique to what he was able to do. Trying to allow someone that was with him when he did it and was trained under him to try and continue it absolutely made the most sense given we were apparently not able to attract someone truly proven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ari Gold View Post
    You contact Matthew Mitchell right now and see if there is any interest.. if so **** all the negative feedback and press. The results speak for themselves. You fire her ass the morning after the last game.
    He's not coming. His wife doesn't like Starkville and her family has STUPID money. He's got no reason to want to return other than ego. Riding out your days with no stress and private jets sounds a hell of a lot better than coming back to Starkville to coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MedDawg View Post
    You know she'd take it if we offered. She's still an assistant now.
    I actually doubt she'd take it now. All coaches have egos, no matter if it's HC or asst. And I imagine we bruised her ego but not giving her the job last year. Kind of like not interviewing Kyle Whittingham after Mullen left and then him not even taking an interview last time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    Maybe, but if we have EVER had a program built to allow a top assistant to move up to the top spot it was our WBB program which had never accomplished anything of note before Vic and now may never accomplish anything after. Whatever Vic created, unlike our baseball program for example, was unique to what he was able to do. Trying to allow someone that was with him when he did it and was trained under him to try and continue it absolutely made the most sense given we were apparently not able to attract someone truly proven.
    Yep. Agree 99.9%

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    Of all of the coaching hire blunders Cohen has made, this one was absolutely the worst. I didn't feel the proper decision was being made even when the hire was done. I say that because with what Vic had already built with the culture of MSU WBB, unless you had a PROVEN POWER 5 HC that would take the job (which we didn't), it was pretty much a no brainer to have given Johnnie Harris the job. I mean, maybe she wouldn't have worked out either, but in trying to keep rolling with the winning culture you had, she was absolutely the best opportunity we had available given she was a big part in building it. Plus, in a COVID environment, she already had a close relationship with all the players and didn't have to try and build one over ZOOM calls. Just really, really didn't understand the decision at the time. Just knowing Cohen though he probably ruled Harris out because she didn't come into her interview with a 100 slide Powerpoint brief detailing her 'plan'. Just another case where Cohen outthought himself trying to be the smartest guy in the room. Sometimes you just need to use your basic common sense and do what is right in front of you. Sad part is he did give the softball job to an assistant already on staff and that seems to be working out great. And our softball program was nowhere close to the elite level of our WBB program.
    When Vic told Cohen he was leaving Vic should've then told Cohen to hire Johnnie. Then She should've gotten the job offer. If she declined then the search should've commenced. Was JH offered the job? Did Vic recommend her?

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    I am curious as to why some fans want to fire coach Penson after one season, but have not been calling for the firing of coach Howland.

    Howland has only one NCAA Tournament appearance in five seasons. He has an SEC record of 49-55.

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