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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
Let me help you out
Even in Stans last four years, fans packed the Hump, students stood in line for games, there was excitement!
Howland, not so much!
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Originally Posted by
BiscuitEater
Even in Stans last four years, fans packed the Hump, students stood in line for games, there was excitement!
Howland, not so much!
That's on the fans though. Mainly because of Stricklin & Ray. Howland has done enough to have more support. The anger over the team was just as high.
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
That's on the fans though. Mainly because of Stricklin & Ray. Howland has done enough to have more support. The anger over the team was just as high.
Disagree! It's the product on the floor that brings in the fans! Vic showed that MSU will support a team that gives effort! Even WBB!
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Originally Posted by
BiscuitEater
Disagree! It's the product on the floor that brings in the fans! Vic showed that MSU will support a team that gives effort! Even WBB!
The effort isn't what packed the Hump winning was. That same effort & going .500 in the SEC the crowd isn't showing up.
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Originally Posted by
Dawsonmsu
Stansbury was never charged with a major recruiting violation during his long tenure at MSU state. Not one my friend. Don’t try and use that as an excuse. There are no facts to back it up.
Not charged? Yes you are correct but here is a link about is being under investigation. Also I posted we were under the microscope and that's a fact. He was told to stop certain things after 05 and didn't
https://www.djournal.com/sports/msu-...45ecd7dcf.html
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Anyone that thinks Howland or Pinson is worth a shit is a dumb 17.
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Originally Posted by
99jc
Anyone that thinks Howland or Pinson is worth a shit is a dumb 17.
I guess the debate is closed!😳
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Originally Posted by
BiscuitEater
Even in Stans last four years, fans packed the Hump, students stood in line for games, there was excitement!
Howland, not so much!
That was also before you could watch every game online or on TV. Thats killed attendance as much as anything
Walk like the King or walk like you don't care who the King is
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Originally Posted by
Dawsonmsu
You still can?t see the facts - Ben Howland walked into a cycle of above average players ( see list below) that allowed him to win 52 percent of his SEC games.
Reggie Perry - son of a MSU great
Robert Woodard - son of a MSU great
Malik Newman - son of a MSU great
Nick Weatherspoon - brother of a MSU great
That cycle of long standing family ties is long gone. That is why you will continue to see Howland?s SEC record fall off the cliff. By the way, Stansbury didn?t have a chance to coach the sons of MSU greats.
And Stansbury's record would have looked awful without Lawrence Roberts happening to have family in Mississippi. Those things balance out.
Also, nobody was making Malik successful his first two years because he wasn't going to buy in.
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Originally Posted by
BiscuitEater
Disagree! It's the product on the floor that brings in the fans! Vic showed that MSU will support a team that gives effort! Even WBB!
What are women's basketball tickets? $5? Men's basketball has to make money off of tickets which means corporate tickets and tickets sold to people not in easy driving distance, which means unless we really develop a formal system that encourages ticket holders to get tickets to people that use them, you're not going to have as easy of a time packing out the hump.
That said, I think pretty much all sports are battling attendance issues and most sports are also losing viewers at the same time. Lots of different things going into that.
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Regardless, it sounds like Howland will return if nothing more than financial reasons. Due to the shortfall of money from COVID, it seems Mississippi State doesn't want to pay a $6 million buy out to Ben Howland. Things could change between now and the end of the season, but I'm not anticipating a change at this point. If it does happen, I'd be willing to bet that Cohen hires an assistant rather than paying an established head coach.
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Originally Posted by
tcdog70
Right our dumb ass fans .. why would they want the winningest Coach in MSU history? Instead let?s run out and hire Clemson?s third assistant. Stans only had a winning record against every team in the Sec except Tenn and Ky. What a bunch of idiots .
Right because some of our DA fans can't grasp that maybe Stans was pretty average in a down SEC in a division that was down while he was here and he still didn't ever do jack crap in the Tourney.
You are wanting someone who makes runs in the post season and yet you are arguing we shouldn't have gotten rid of Stans.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either making an occasional NCAAT and getting bounced in the first round is acceptable or it isn't and if it isn't then you shouldn't be a stans fan either because that is all he did.
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Originally Posted by
KB21
Regardless, it sounds like Howland will return if nothing more than financial reasons. Due to the shortfall of money from COVID, it seems Mississippi State doesn't want to pay a $6 million buy out to Ben Howland. Things could change between now and the end of the season, but I'm not anticipating a change at this point. If it does happen, I'd be willing to bet that Cohen hires an assistant rather than paying an established head coach.
About what I figured would happen. Bring him back by default so we can suck again next year and delay the inevitable 1 more miserable season.
I get basketball is nowhere near the revenue darling football is for colleges (shoot I don?t even know how many colleges are profit makers from men?s basketball), but USCe just fired Boom with his buyout equating out to around $13-15 mil and their athletic dept. is gonna have around a $44 mil deficit this fiscal year. I?m sure their athletic budget is much larger than ours (going off 2018-19 numbers about $35 mil larger overall) but haven?t we done well in years past of staying in the black to where it wouldn?t be a back breaker to pay a lame duck HC?s buyout of $6 mil in one of your big 3 sports? I might be way off here and I?m fine saying I am if someone who knows more than me corrects me. But crap, could Cohen not talk him into retirement and a reduced ?buyout? and let him fly on back out to Cali to retire out there?
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Originally Posted by
HailStateSZN19
About what I figured would happen. Bring him back by default so we can suck again next year and delay the inevitable 1 more miserable season.
I get basketball is nowhere near the revenue darling football is for colleges (shoot I don?t even know how many colleges are profit makers from men?s basketball), but USCe just fired Boom with his buyout equating out to around $13-15 mil and their athletic dept. is gonna have around a $44 mil deficit this fiscal year. I?m sure their athletic budget is much larger than ours (going off 2018-19 numbers about $35 mil larger overall) but haven?t we done well in years past of staying in the black to where it wouldn?t be a back breaker to pay a lame duck HC?s buyout of $6 mil in one of your big 3 sports? I might be way off here and I?m fine saying I am if someone who knows more than me corrects me. But crap, could Cohen not talk him into retirement and a reduced ?buyout? and let him fly on back out to Cali to retire out there?
Why would Howland agree to a reduced buyout?
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
Why would Howland agree to a reduced buyout?
I didn?t say he would. I said Cohen should try to talk him into retirement and a reduced buyout, still a buyout, but lower than the $6 mil number. If he wouldn?t budge on it, then scrape up some booster support if you got to get rid of a guy that you know isn?t the answer. Do you think he?s the answer next year? Do you feel good about men?s basketball and going into next season with Howland? Are you excited about the direction of the program?
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Originally Posted by
HailStateSZN19
I didn?t say he would. I said Cohen should try to talk him into retirement and a reduced buyout, still a buyout, but lower than the $6 mil number. If he wouldn?t budge on it, then scrape up some booster support if you got to get rid of a guy that you know isn?t the answer. Do you think he?s the answer next year? Do you feel good about men?s basketball and going into next season with Howland? Are you excited about the direction of the program?
No need to rehash the same argument you've made 100 times. I just asked you a simple question on why Howland would take a reduced buyout.
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
No need to rehash the same argument you've made 100 times. I just asked you a simple question on why Howland would take a reduced buyout.
And I said, I didn?t say he would take a reduced buyout. But that?s an angle Cohen should attempt if he thinks it?s time to move on from Howland. Mutually part ways and see if early retirement is something he?d consider along with a handsome fee, but a reduced fee from the $6 mil number.
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Originally Posted by
HailStateSZN19
And I said, I didn?t say he would take a reduced buyout. But that?s an angle Cohen should attempt if he thinks it?s time to move on from Howland. Mutually part ways and see if early retirement is something he?d consider along with a handsome fee, but a reduced fee from the $6 mil number.
If Cohen wants to fire him then Howland isn't going to help. If you want me gone pay me my money & I'll leave. I'm saying Howland has no reason or incentive not to get all his money.
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Originally Posted by
Ifyouonlyknew
If Cohen wants to fire him then Howland isn't going to help. If you want me gone pay me my money & I'll leave. I'm saying Howland has no reason or incentive not to get all his money.
If that?s the case, scrape up the support from boosters or cough up the $6 mil and move on. IF Cohen thinks it?s time, I don?t see how coughing up $6 mil more is some completely undoable thing and why delay the inevitable to next season.
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Originally Posted by
HailStateSZN19
If that?s the case, scrape up the support from boosters or cough up the $6 mil and move on. IF Cohen thinks it?s time, I don?t see how coughing up $6 mil more is some completely undoable thing and why delay the inevitable to next season.
If the boosters wanted him gone the AD doesn't go to them to scrape up the money. The boosters come to him & say it's time we have the money. The fact that hasn't happened yet gives you your answer. Now there's still games left to play this season but as of now no one think he getting let go this year.
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