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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    It's just that he seems like he's more of a fit for an analyst role than a recruiting coordinator role to me. So let's say he replaces Arnett in a year or two at DC. Then we have to hire another recruiting coordinator again.

    Honestly Hughes fits better at the RC role IMO. Hopson is probably a better on the field coach than Hughes. I mean, if you say Jay Hopson I have never ever heard anyone talk about what a great recruiter he is/was. See Will Hall at the same school being talked about as a great recruiter so it isn't a USM thing.

    Heck- I'd hire Reed Stringer as the RC before I hire Hopson and he was on Hopson's staff. At least that hire would make some sense.
    Coach Petterson had ZERO experience in college recruiting or coaching when we hired him..
    again I’m not saying this is a homer in hire, but there is a lot that goes on with Coach Peterson position than just recruiting..
    and no one here or one coach in Miss knew who the hell Coach Vilagrana was..

    Getting an Ex college head coach , a position coach that has been at multiple P5 schools, and a coach that has Miss ties is never a bad thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    It's just that he seems like he's more of a fit for an analyst role than a recruiting coordinator role to me. So let's say he replaces Arnett in a year or two at DC. Then we have to hire another recruiting coordinator again.

    Honestly Hughes fits better at the RC role IMO. Hopson is probably a better on the field coach than Hughes. I mean, if you say Jay Hopson I have never ever heard anyone talk about what a great recruiter he is/was. See Will Hall at the same school being talked about as a great recruiter so it isn't a USM thing.

    Heck- I'd hire Reed Stringer as the RC before I hire Hopson and he was on Hopson's staff. At least that hire would make some sense.
    Hopson isn't taking the Recruiting Coordinator role. He's taking the HS Relations role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    Hopson isn't taking the Recruiting Coordinator role. He's taking the HS Relations role.
    My point is why have him on the recruiting staff at all? That's even worse if high school coaches don't like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    My point is why have him on the recruiting staff at all? That's even worse if high school coaches don't like him.
    Because the talk of HS coaches not liking him is way overblown. Say 5-10 coaches don't like him he'll there's over 100 who don't fit in that category. Let's not act like every HS coach liked Peterson & he did fine. A guy who's head of HS relations who's worked in the state 16 out of the last 20 years. Yea I'm good with that. The overthink & overreach on this hire is funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    Because the talk of HS coaches not liking him is way overblown. Say 5-10 coaches don't like him he'll there's over 100 who don't fit in that category. Let's not act like every HS coach liked Peterson & he did fine. A guy who's head of HS relations who's worked in the state 16 out of the last 20 years. Yea I'm good with that. The overthink & overreach on this hire is funny.
    Exactly... Damn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    Because the talk of HS coaches not liking him is way overblown. Say 5-10 coaches don't like him he'll there's over 100 who don't fit in that category. Let's not act like every HS coach liked Peterson & he did fine. A guy who's head of HS relations who's worked in the state 16 out of the last 20 years. Yea I'm good with that. The overthink & overreach on this hire is funny.
    Because those 5-10 have guys on their staff that will possibly become head coaches one day. That can spread throughout the state pretty quickly.

    But hey! We're Mississippi State! We don't care about recruiting or value it. And this is another sign of it.

    Tony Hughes will solve everything right?**

    It's only the weakest aspect of our program right now and is holding us back. We don't make moves like this in baseball. But we want to stay 1990 in football apparently.

    Again- why not make Hopson an analyst and hire a recruiting person that has no ill will against him? What's wrong with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Because those 5-10 have guys on their staff that will possibly become head coaches one day. That can spread throughout the state pretty quickly.

    But hey! We're Mississippi State! We don't care about recruiting or value it. And this is another sign of it.

    Tony Hughes will solve everything right?**

    It's only the weakest aspect of our program right now and is holding us back. We don't make moves like this in baseball. But we want to stay 1990 in football apparently.

    Again- why not make Hopson an analyst and hire a recruiting person that has no ill will against him? What's wrong with that?

    Just curious, who would you rather see get the job? If you can name a guy with equal or greater experience inside this state who is 100% liked by the coaches in the state, then I'll be all for it. But he has to be liked by every single coach now. If he's disliked by one HS coach, that coach's assistants will go on to be head coaches, and I heard that stuff can spread throughout the state pretty quickly.**

    Your entire post is an overreaction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    Hopson isn't taking the Recruiting Coordinator role. He's taking the HS Relations role.
    We'll disagree on this one. I'm ok with that. And he's not going to directly recruit. His swing is in SW MS. But he's got a lot of baggage- Bad baggage, to go along with the other (not going to get into it because he's already hired anyway). Hell, we could've hired Barney and it wouldn't be much difference (except for the official paperwork). Similar character types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    What's wrong with that?
    Because I think you're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cooterpoot View Post
    We'll disagree on this one. I'm ok with that. And he's not going to directly recruit. His swing is in SW MS. But he's got a lot of baggage- Bad baggage, to go along with the other (not going to get into it because he's already hired anyway). Hell, we could've hired Barney and it wouldn't be much difference (except for the official paperwork). Similar character types.
    Yea we'll just have to agree to disagree

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    Because I think you're wrong.
    OK- so it's wrong to hire someone that high school coaches like at MSU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KOdawg1 View Post
    Just curious, who would you rather see get the job? If you can name a guy with equal or greater experience inside this state who is 100% liked by the coaches in the state, then I'll be all for it. But he has to be liked by every single coach now. If he's disliked by one HS coach, that coach's assistants will go on to be head coaches, and I heard that stuff can spread throughout the state pretty quickly.**

    Your entire post is an overreaction.
    Reed Stringer would be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    OK- so it's wrong to hire someone that high school coaches like at MSU.
    There is nobody that every coach is going to like. That candidate doesn't exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    Reed Stringer would be good.
    Now if you said Reed Stringer for Villagrana spot that would make more sense IMO. I'd personally rather have someone from outside the area but I'd understand the support for Stringer.

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    Welp, this is in the weeds. Back to the core point about off field recruiting staff:

    Hell yes we can, and should, hire more.

    We profited 10M a year for several years in a row, which went into a "rainy day fund". Even if Covid cost us 33% of our revenue (it didn't due to the SEC network paying out so much) that still leaves money in the bank. Not "we are in small amounts of debt", MONEY IS STILL IN THE BANK! And next this year with the vaccine we can expect to run at least close to a profit. And in 2 years the extra $20M a year of TV revenue kicks in.

    Hiring 5 guys at 100k each to help recruiting is a drop in the bucket. It doesn't cause us to go into debt, and if it did that debt would be paid off like nothing when the TV deal kicks in.

    As for it "not moving the needle", well that's ridiculous. Bama and UGA spend millions on their off field staff for a reason. Of course it matters. If it going to get our recruiting classes from #25 to #20? NO, but it might make it #23-24, and with how much money football brings in that small bit of gain = far more money than it costs us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    Welp, this is in the weeds. Back to the core point about off field recruiting staff:

    Hell yes we can, and should, hire more.

    We profited 10M a year for several years in a row, which went into a "rainy day fund". Even if Covid cost us 33% of our revenue (it didn't due to the SEC network paying out so much) that still leaves money in the bank. Not "we are in small amounts of debt", MONEY IS STILL IN THE BANK! And next this year with the vaccine we can expect to run at least close to a profit. And in 2 years the extra $20M a year of TV revenue kicks in.

    Hiring 5 guys at 100k each to help recruiting is a drop in the bucket. It doesn't cause us to go into debt, and if it did that debt would be paid off like nothing when the TV deal kicks in.

    As for it "not moving the needle", well that's ridiculous. Bama and UGA spend millions on their off field staff for a reason. Of course it matters. If it going to get our recruiting classes from #25 to #20? NO, but it might make it #23-24, and with how much money football brings in that small bit of gain = far more money than it costs us.
    Agree...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew View Post
    Because the talk of HS coaches not liking him is way overblown. Say 5-10 coaches don't like him he'll there's over 100 who don't fit in that category. Let's not act like every HS coach liked Peterson & he did fine. A guy who's head of HS relations who's worked in the state 16 out of the last 20 years. Yea I'm good with that. The overthink & overreach on this hire is funny.
    I'm pretty sure there was a good bit of bitching about how Peterson was a bad fit because he was arrogant and HS coaches hated him around the state? Am I thinking of another guy that came from high school coaching to our staff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    I'm pretty sure there was a good bit of bitching about how Peterson was a bad fit because he was arrogant and HS coaches hated him around the state? Am I thinking of another guy that came from high school coaching to our staff?
    You're correct

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    Everyone needs to move on. I shouldn't have stirred this. I only give out what I know. Or in this case, a small fraction of that. He's hired. It's done, so we can all move on.

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    Well, not that it has anything to do with the subject, but

    Alcorn has won 3 straight Division Titles since Hopson.

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