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    This is from Curt Schilling and it's cold blooded:

    Curt Schilling in letter to the Hall of Fame: "I will not participate in the final year of voting. I am requesting to be removed from the ballot. I’ll defer to the veterans committee and men whose opinions actually matter and who are in a position to actually judge a player.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    This is from Curt Schilling and it's cold blooded:

    Curt Schilling in letter to the Hall of Fame: "I will not participate in the final year of voting. I am requesting to be removed from the ballot. I’ll defer to the veterans committee and men whose opinions actually matter and who are in a position to actually judge a player.''
    Is Schilling just being kept out because of his politics? I'd have thought he'd be a sure fire HOFer, but that's just based on what I remember of his playoff performances as a casual fan. Seemed like he was the most dominant pitcher for a few years. Did he just peak in a couple of post seasons? Or was the rest of his career not good? Or are sports writers just as idiotic and blinded by partisanship as the normal press?

    ETA: Guess I should have read back one page before posting. But still hasn't answered the question of whether there is any legitimate argument that he shouldn't be in the HOF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnson85 View Post
    Is Schilling just being kept out because of his politics? I'd have thought he'd be a sure fire HOFer, but that's just based on what I remember of his playoff performances as a casual fan. Seemed like he was the most dominant pitcher for a few years. Did he just peak in a couple of post seasons? Or was the rest of his career not good? Or are sports writers just as idiotic and blinded by partisanship as the normal press?

    ETA: Guess I should have read back one page before posting. But still hasn't answered the question of whether there is any legitimate argument that he shouldn't be in the HOF.
    Personally, I always saw Schilling as a good not great pitcher. He had three dominant season - which I would suspect were enhanced as pitchers tend not to get better at 34. The one thing he had going for him is that he was money in the post season.
    Frankly, if Dale Murphy can't get in, Schilling shouldn't either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Personally, I always saw Schilling as a good not great pitcher. He had three dominant season - which I would suspect were enhanced as pitchers tend not to get better at 34. The one thing he had going for him is that he was money in the post season.
    Frankly, if Dale Murphy can't get in, Schilling shouldn't either.
    The one thing that people point to about Raffy being on roids was he stayed injury free. If that is the case then I wouldn't doubt every pitcher in MLB being on them.

    The whole roids thing is making the HOF a joke. They are keeping out Bonds, McGuire, and Sosa which are some of the best power hitters in MLB history along with Clemens.

    Raffy also is one of like 6-8 players to get to 500 HRS and 3,000 hits.

    They need to put them all in and just put some kind of disclaimer about roids.

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    The problem with the HOF is the majority of the jack offs that are deciding who does and doesn’t get in .
    Fix who can and can’t vote..

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    Bill James wrote a book back in the 90s, "Hall of Fame: The Politics of Glory". I highly recommend it because it delves into the pure numbers but also the politics involved with hall of fame voting. It's an excellent read for baseball lovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe View Post
    The one thing that people point to about Raffy being on roids was he stayed injury free. If that is the case then I wouldn't doubt every pitcher in MLB being on them.

    The whole roids thing is making the HOF a joke. They are keeping out Bonds, McGuire, and Sosa which are some of the best power hitters in MLB history along with Clemens.

    Raffy also is one of like 6-8 players to get to 500 HRS and 3,000 hits.

    They need to put them all in and just put some kind of disclaimer about roids.
    I remember when Bonds played for the Pirates .... He looked like a bean pole then and didn't have the power that he later developed
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    Quote Originally Posted by FISHDAWG View Post
    I remember when Bonds played for the Pirates .... He looked like a bean pole then and didn't have the power that he later developed
    Bonds had all the signs of juicing just like McGuire. Raffy didn't really have anything that you would point to as a symptom of juicing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FISHDAWG View Post
    I remember when Bonds played for the Pirates .... He looked like a bean pole then and didn't have the power that he later developed
    That's not entirely true. Bonds had power. He hit 23 HR in '85 at Arizona State; and hit 25 his first full season in Pittsburgh in '87, and averaged 25 a year at Pittsburgh. And yeah, he was a 21-22 year old bean pole then. That's not unusual - Hank Aaron was his first couple of seasons in Milwaukee. If Bonds had maintained that pace over his 22 year career he would have had 550ish HR - basically just like Raffy. The Roids made him a HR monster. I think that is why so many people have issues with him. He was talented enough and would have put up HOF numbers without cheating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    That's not entirely true. Bonds had power. He hit 23 HR in '85 at Arizona State; and hit 25 his first full season in Pittsburgh in '87, and averaged 25 a year at Pittsburgh. And yeah, he was a 21-22 year old bean pole then. That's not unusual - Hank Aaron was his first couple of seasons in Milwaukee. If Bonds had maintained that pace over his 22 year career he would have had 550ish HR - basically just like Raffy. The Roids made him a HR monster. I think that is why so many people have issues with him. He was talented enough and would have put up HOF numbers without cheating.
    He was probably the best all around OF in the game before the juice. His numbers after the age of 35 are ridiculous. You don't get that much better without cheating. He was probably the most feared hitter in baseball since Ted Williams.

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    If Don Lemon hit 600 homers: "Don Lemon was voted into the Hall of Fame today. He hit 600 homers in his career and was known as one of the premier power hitters of his era, while also being a strong advocate for social justice and equality."

    If Tucker Carlson hit 600 homers: "Tucker Carlson was voted into the Hall of Fame today, despite his controversial stance on many issues. While he did hit 600 homers in his career as one of the premier power hitters of his era, many voters refused to vote for Carlson because of character issues concerning his outspoken racist and controversial political beliefs."

    The above is how the media would report it.

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    Wrong....

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    smh.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbonewannabe View Post
    He was probably the best all around OF in the game before the juice. His numbers after the age of 35 are ridiculous. You don't get that much better without cheating. He was probably the most feared hitter in baseball since Ted Williams.
    I'm less offended by him juicing, which everybody did although based on the way his body changed, it seemed like he was doing something a little more than others (maybe HGH?), than I am by him putting a big ass pad on his elbow and taking away a quarter of the plate. I've got no problem with batters crowding the plate if they're putting some skin in the game. It's just ridiculous to let them do it with a three inch pad to take the blow.

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