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    I'll say this about Dalton Davis and it's more of a general statement.

    I think sometimes people focus too much on 40 times and measurables and not enough on whether a guy can actually play the game or not.

    I've seen this play out several times. A guy is too small, not fast enough, skinny, doesn't have enough hair on his chest, etc. And then that player goes somewhere else and plays well and sometimes even gets a shot in the NFL.

    And then we get some guy that did well at camp but can't play and they just end up being a never ending project or able to maybe contribute some their senior year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentSteel16 View Post
    Deion Sanders? So you are saying he would be a great G5 player. 4.8 in SEC just doesn?t cut it. Unless he is another cranial receiver like Austin Williams. But look how long it took him to contribute. Just don?t think you tie up a scholly on that.
    Im not advocating for/against this kid, but, he's faster than the late, great, Bear Wilson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    I'll say this about Dalton Davis and it's more of a general statement.

    I think sometimes people focus too much on 40 times and measurables and not enough on whether a guy can actually play the game or not.

    I've seen this play out several times. A guy is too small, not fast enough, skinny, doesn't have enough hair on his chest, etc. And then that player goes somewhere else and plays well and sometimes even gets a shot in the NFL.

    And then we get some guy that did well at camp but can't play and they just end up being a never ending project or able to maybe contribute some their senior year.
    If you're talking about the Davis Dalton kid at MRA he needs to be a last resort option or offer him a PWO spot. Getting open, catching the ball, and absorbing the blow are a completely different animal in the SEC than they are in the MAIS. It's not even in the same atmosphere. Hell the CUSA will be an adjustment for him. It's great to ball out against PCS and Lamar but I don't see many alumni from those places playing on Saturdays. He'll take a minimum of two years to even get him up to speed and his body prepared for this level

    Also....everyone is complaining about our recruiting rankings but want us to go offer an MAIS kid with no P5 offers. I'm sure we'll really shoot up the rankings with that one. Go all in on Thomas and Pope. The days of offering a kid because gah lee gee his dad played here and Bob from Bogue Chitto knows his grandparents need to be long gone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins View Post
    Im not advocating for/against this kid, but, he's faster than the late, great, Bear Wilson.

    The main difference is you can't teach 6'6. De'Runnya was a matchup nightmare for any defense. We schemed the hell out of people running the sideline "box out" route with him. An SEC defender couldn't bully De'Runnya. An SEC DB will put this kid in the 3rd row.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    The main difference is you can't teach 6'6. De'Runnya was a matchup nightmare for any defense. We schemed the hell out of people running the sideline "box out" route with him. An SEC defender couldn't bully De'Runnya. An SEC DB will put this kid in the 3rd row.
    Bear was 6-4 220 at the combine, ran a horrible 4.85sec 40, with an abysmal 28 inch vertical, and I would take him back in a minute.

    This kid, who I have not seen outside of HUDL, is 6-3 200 and has a teenagers body still. Now, if he were actually the "best available" option I would just save that scholly for the portal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    If you're talking about the Davis Dalton kid at MRA he needs to be a last resort option or offer him a PWO spot. Getting open, catching the ball, and absorbing the blow are a completely different animal in the SEC than they are in the MAIS. It's not even in the same atmosphere. Hell the CUSA will be an adjustment for him. It's great to ball out against PCS and Lamar but I don't see many alumni from those places playing on Saturdays. He'll take a minimum of two years to even get him up to speed and his body prepared for this level
    MRA has played a tougher schedule to this point in the season than at least 85% of Public schools in the state. Probably has played the toughest schedule in the state.

    Played the top ranked team in the state of MS (GC), top ranked team in Ark (Pulaski), top ranked team in TN (Oakland). Nobody else in the state has played anything close to that.
    JA is solid with two D1 guys. Prep is meh. Played a 3A public in Raleigh. destroyed all 3 of them. If he's not good enough to play at state, it's not bc of weak competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    The main difference is you can't teach 6'6. De'Runnya was a matchup nightmare for any defense. We schemed the hell out of people running the sideline "box out" route with him. An SEC defender couldn't bully De'Runnya. An SEC DB will put this kid in the 3rd row.
    And he excelled at blocking. I don't think we have ever had a WR that blocked like Bear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins View Post
    Bear was 6-4 220 at the combine. This kid, who I have not seen outside of HUDL, is 6-3 200 and has a teenagers body still. Now, if he were actually the "best available" option I would just save that scholly for the portal.
    Yea that one bummed me out because the game program always reported 6'6 or 6'5. Regardless, we don't need to take Dalton. If he was such a hot commodity then he'd have a P5 offer. Offer him a PWO and move on down the line. If he's so good he'll prove it and prove me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
    MRA has played a tougher schedule to this point in the season than at least 85% of Public schools in the state. Probably has played the toughest schedule in the state.

    Played the top ranked team in the state of MS (GC), top ranked team in Ark (Pulaski), top ranked team in TN (Oakland). Nobody else in the state has played anything close to that.
    JA is solid with two D1 guys. Prep is meh. Played a 3A public in Raleigh. destroyed all 3 of them. If he's not good enough to play at state, it's not bc of weak competition.
    But go look at how he did against that competition. And Elam from GCS worked him the first game of the year. Again, like I said, offer him a PWO spot and maybe he'll prove me wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins View Post
    Im not advocating for/against this kid, but, he's faster than the late, great, Bear Wilson.
    Is he 6 foot 5 inches and weigh 220? Does he have a 40 inch vertical? If not the comparison is moot.

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    Ok Bill Brasky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentSteel16 View Post
    Is he 6 foot 5 inches and weigh 220? Does he have a 40 inch vertical? If not the comparison is moot.
    De'Runnya's vertical was 28" and he ran a 4.85 fourty

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    If you're talking about the Davis Dalton kid at MRA he needs to be a last resort option or offer him a PWO spot. Getting open, catching the ball, and absorbing the blow are a completely different animal in the SEC than they are in the MAIS. It's not even in the same atmosphere. Hell the CUSA will be an adjustment for him. It's great to ball out against PCS and Lamar but I don't see many alumni from those places playing on Saturdays. He'll take a minimum of two years to even get him up to speed and his body prepared for this level

    Also....everyone is complaining about our recruiting rankings but want us to go offer an MAIS kid with no P5 offers. I'm sure we'll really shoot up the rankings with that one. Go all in on Thomas and Pope. The days of offering a kid because gah lee gee his dad played here and Bob from Bogue Chitto knows his grandparents need to be long gone.
    Amen to this one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    But go look at how he did against that competition. And Elam from GCS worked him the first game of the year. Again, like I said, offer him a PWO spot and maybe he'll prove me wrong.
    That's just not true. The stats are online.

    8 for 113 yards against Elam and GC
    9 for 141 against Pulaski
    3 for 38 against Oakland (they ran drop 8 every snap and it have Mra fits (sounds familiar, ha))
    7 for 168 against JA
    5 for 123 against Raleigh

    Also had a State record 388 yards receiving vs prep (who I know isn't good).

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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
    That's just not true. The stats are online.

    8 for 113 yards against Elam and GC
    9 for 141 against Pulaski
    3 for 38 against Oakland (they ran drop 8 every snap and it have Mra fits (sounds familiar, ha))
    7 for 168 against JA
    5 for 123 against Raleigh

    Also had a State record 388 yards receiving vs prep (who I know isn't good).
    My bad on that. Had bad information except for Oakland, which I watched and wasn't impressed. As I said, throw him a PWO offer and let him prove himself. If he's that good then he'll play. Christian Ford has proved that.

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    Dalton will do well at USM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgman15 View Post
    De'Runnya's vertical was 28" and he ran a 4.85 fourty
    Yet he won almost every 50/50 ball thrown his way. Against several SEC corners and OLBs several of which are STILL IN THE NFL. Hell he almost invented the back shoulder throw catch. It was just known then as a bad pass. Ha. That was partially a joke.

    I hope the MRA kid does awesome and proves the star buyers at Rivals wrong. I just don’t see him being a contributor at State. He is a good athlete and definitely a D1 athlete. Just not more than a one year starter if that at any SEC school not named Vanderbilt

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    New RB to keep an eye on

    Jordaan Bailey out of Tampa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowboydawg View Post
    Jordaan Bailey out of Tampa
    I think it's safe to say we look like we're preparing to move on from Jordan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve View Post
    I think it's safe to say we look like we're preparing to move on from Jordan.
    Jordaan Bailey
    https://www.hudl.com/video/3/1264190...02270a041f5070

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