Post Egg Thoughts.

[R2Dawg]

Straw man.

No one is excited about what our offense did Saturday- or at least they shouldn?t be. You can be pissed about us shooting ourselves in the foot, while also being excited about the future of this offense. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Leach averaged 20.4 PPG in year 1 at WSU, and that was with a full offseason/spring. He then averaged 31-40 PPG every year from 2013-2019. I expect us to make a big jump next season. If we don?t, then barring some crazy circumstances yeah we?ve got problems.

I agree. I am willing to wait and see more but just anointing him the king of O at this point is just ignorant but what many are doing. Like what the D has done and they have proved their position. O not so much.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Not sure you understand what cancel culture is. It is not just because somethng is hard, don't do it. It is if you have a different view or opinion I will cancel you out because if it doesn't agree with my position your opinion don't count. Maybe you don't feel that way but some of your comments sure expressed that.

Man. I know what cancel culture is. I am sorry you took my post as cancel culture bc that was not my intention.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Teams **** up on offense every week. Guess what? Next year we will have bad snaps, fumbles, penalties, illegal formation penalties as well. Our offensive talent Saturday was greater than the talent OM put on the field defensively. Spin spin spin- but a turd is still a turd

I know you know this but typically the more experience you have the less of those F ups you commit.

Also, I hate to tell you but our WRs except for one who is legit and the other bc he is tough and smart are not more talented than anyone. 11 should get all of 5 and 18s reps. 5 had a huge play on a deep ball and saw a safety coming and ran away from the ball. Anyway before I get off point, you should know better

[Coach34]

I know you know this but typically the more experience you have the less of those F ups you commit.

Also, I hate to tell you but our WRs except for one who is legit and the other bc he is tough and smart are not more talented than anyone. 11 should get all of 5 and 18s reps. 5 had a huge play on a deep ball and saw a safety coming and ran away from the ball. Anyway before I get off point, you should know better

Look- I like your kid and think he will be a solid college QB. I just dont think the offense the way we run it currently is going to work. Agree we need to add some innovation to the run game with a counter or buck with a thumper in the offense. Hell, I run an RPO with the Buck that stretches the field horizontally. Our Genius could at least do that. If Leach will morph as a veteran as Saban did- he will be successful. If he doesnt? He will go the way of Les Miles

[TNDawg35]

Look- I like your kid and think he will be a solid college QB. I just dont think the offense the way we run it currently is going to work. Agree we need to add some innovation to the run game with a counter or buck with a thumper in the offense. Hell, I run an RPO with the Buck that stretches the field horizontally. Our Genius could at least do that. If Leach will morph as a veteran as Saban did- he will be successful. If he doesnt? He will go the way of Les Miles

Dude no one give a shit what YOU run nor what YOU think we should run. All you do is come on here and let us know everything that is wrong and how it should be fixed. You a 17in high school coach. If you are such a ?great football mind?, what you doing in the high school ranks jackass...

[Coach34]

If you are such a ?great football mind?, what you doing in the high school ranks jackass...

So you cant cook a great pot of gumbo if you arent a chef in a New Orleans restaurant?
You have to be Myron Mixon or Johnny Trigg to do a great rack of ribs?
You have to be a Fireman or you dont know how to put out a fire?
You cant be a great governor unless you are Tate Reeves?
You cant possibly know anything about being a good athletic director unless you are John Cohen or Larry Templeton?

**edited to add**- there are some really good HS coaches in Mississippi. Much better than there was 20 years. Just because they dont coach on the college level- doesnt mean they dont know football as well as others that do.

[TNDawg35]

[QUOTE=Coach34;1291643]So you cant cook a great pot of gumbo if you arent a chef in a New Orleans restaurant?
You have to be Myron Mixon or Johnny Trigg to do a great rack of ribs?
You have to be a Fireman or you dont know how to put out a fire?
You cant be a great governor unless you are Tate Reeves?
You cant possibly know anything about being a good athletic director unless you are John Cohen or Larry Templeton?
I never said there wasn?t and I know a good many of them. However you hop on here and act like your king shit saying what all is wrong and this is how you fix it. And if anyone and I mean ANYONE disagrees with you, your argument is well you just don?t know what the hell your talking about!! Oh and did I mention when we win or have a good game, we never hear a word out of you. All you do is come on here and make sure everyone knows how right you were or how good you are. Even if the stats don?t back you up, you twist them To make them fit what you want them to. Take that shit out of here coffee boy...

[Percho]

So you cant cook a great pot of gumbo if you arent a chef in a New Orleans restaurant?
You have to be Myron Mixon or Johnny Trigg to do a great rack of ribs?
You have to be a Fireman or you dont know how to put out a fire?
You cant be a great governor unless you are Tate Reeves?
You cant possibly know anything about being a good athletic director unless you are John Cohen or Larry Templeton?

**edited to add**- there are some really good HS coaches in Mississippi. Much better than there was 20 years. Just because they dont coach on the college level- doesnt mean they dont know football as well as others that do.

There have been a lot of HS coaches who never coached College but would have been great at college level,

[BuckyIsAB****]

We may be a little better next year. But until we put some innovation into the run game- we will not win SEC games. Our current offense the way its called will not win the SEC. 61 passes against one of the worst run defenses in the country wont fly in SEC football.

I do wish we would do more with the run game. It is in the book, he has done it before. That we agree on. BUT..


You either did not watch the game or are just carrying this on for popularity sake. It took a 14-0 swing on a fumble at the GL for them to beat us. The last 2 weeks, with the fewest amount of scholly players in the league, and with the least amount of experience, has come down to the last play on the road against 2 SEC opponents. Come on dude.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Our talent was better but they had two weeks to prepare and our players are way younger than their defense. Does that not matter?

We do not have more talent at WR than they have at DB. We have 2 WRs that would get an offer from someone else. And 4 is not one of them atm. He is getting better but he has got to mature. He is killing us with penalties. He has a chance to be legit but I would take 85 over him right now

[ShotgunDawg]

I think the answer is in the middle.

I think Leach is a really good coach with a good, not great offensive system that lacks versatility

Because he's an excellent manager/decision maker/culture setter with a good offensive system, we're going to get pretty good and consistent.

However, to really compete for the West, he'll need to make some adaptations in the run game. It's probably why he's always won, but never won his division or conference

[Todd4State]

I think the answer is in the middle.

I think Leach is a really good coach with a good, not great offensive system that lacks versatility

Because he's an excellent manager/decision maker/culture setter with a good offensive system, we're going to get pretty good and consistent.

However, to really compete for the West, he'll need to make some adaptations in the run game. It's probably why he's always won, but never won his division or conference

We need to run better but to me it's we need to be more effective. Our YPC are pitiful for facing a 3 man front as much as we have. Leach's offenses typically average more than what we have right now- and in year one once again he struggled to run the ball same as us this year.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Look- I like your kid and think he will be a solid college QB. I just dont think the offense the way we run it currently is going to work. Agree we need to add some innovation to the run game with a counter or buck with a thumper in the offense. Hell, I run an RPO with the Buck that stretches the field horizontally. Our Genius could at least do that. If Leach will morph as a veteran as Saban did- he will be successful. If he doesnt? He will go the way of Les Miles

Again you just can?t get out of your own way. He is not my kid. I love him to death won?t deny that but he is not my kid. Lame as hell of you to keep that on.

The rest I agree with to an extent. I personally would not do what he does either. I hate being one dimensional. It will work, change or die. We agree on that. But some of y?all just act like there is no chance and that is ridiculous. You me and Bear Bryant could not do much with what he has been given. The kids fight harder than they have fought since the gator bowl of 2017!

[BuckyIsAB****]

I think the answer is in the middle.

I think Leach is a really good coach with a good, not great offensive system that lacks versatility

Because he's an excellent manager/decision maker/culture setter with a good offensive system, we're going to get pretty good and consistent.

However, to really compete for the West, he'll need to make some adaptations in the run game. It's probably why he's always won, but never won his division or conference

We have a better shot at the west with this than we had with ******* ?power spread? as y?all call it. Bama will eat that shit for lunch. Spin a safety to the RB side down for the read option/QB power/counter and play cover 1 and 2 man on 3rd down and Mullen was in his shell.

[ShotgunDawg]

We have a better shot at the west with this than we had with ******* ?power spread? as y?all call it. Bama will eat that shit for lunch. Spin a safety to the RB side down for the read option/QB power/counter and play cover 1 and 2 man on 3rd down and Mullen was in his shell.

Agree with that. Much easier to block 3 and pass vs blue bloods than to try and run vs a loaded box

[Todd4State]

We have a better shot at the west with this than we had with ******* ?power spread? as y?all call it. Bama will eat that shit for lunch. Spin a safety to the RB side down for the read option/QB power/counter and play cover 1 and 2 man on 3rd down and Mullen was in his shell.

Don't remind me. I remember sitting in the stands against Alabama in 2017 knowing that Dan was going to run Fitz up the middle on 4th and 8 or whatever it was and being completely depressed knowing there was nothing I could do about it.

[ShotgunDawg]

Don't remind me. I remember sitting in the stands against Alabama in 2017 knowing that Dan was going to run Fitz up the middle on 4th and 8 or whatever it was and being completely depressed knowing there was nothing I could do about it.

Yeah that wasn't going to work with much better WR and QB play.

I do like the offensive recruiting advantage of this offense. We can sell it to WRs and QBs

[Todd4State]

Yeah that wasn't going to work with much better WR and QB play.

I do like the offensive recruiting advantage of this offense. We can sell it to WRs and QBs

And that's exactly what we desperately need. For way too long because we were so run heavy we had a reputation as a place where you couldn't get to the NFL if you played receiver here. We will start putting WR's in the league and in the meantime we'll keep recruiting like we have.

[BuckyIsAB****]

Dear gosh.

Nobody is saying we all of the sudden have a good offense and are right where we need to be. Just that we have shown growth and there is reason to think we will be just fine in the long run given who our coach is and some of the bright spots we have seen in recent games.

Our defense from October 3rd to November 7th was one of the worst in college football. We finished with 2 points against a very mediocre Kentucky team and barely cracked 200 yards of offense against a Vandy defense that is currently ranked 116th in the country. We were as low as a Mike Leach offense possibly could have been. But comparative to where we were just three weeks ago, the offense has clearly made improvements. Even if you don't think we did enough against Ole Miss, we have still taken steps forward in the last two games.

Our freshman QB has progressively gotten better in each of his three starts and just threw for 440 and three TDs, we have a true freshman WR who has more yards in 8 games than any receiver of our receivers since 2016 have had in a full 13 game season, and we are having to play two freshmen tailbacks and two freshmen tackles. We are getting either very little or flat out nothing from the players we expected to be leading us at the beginning of the year.

It is never OK to lose the Egg Bowl and it is disappointing that we made some mistakes that cost us the game. But we were dead to rights two weeks ago and our fans were claiming we should cancel the rest of our games because we were just going to get embarrassed in all of them. Instead we have played two road games against teams that are better than us this year, all while we have been massively short-handed, and we gave those teams all we could handle all while showing the first signs of life that our offense has shown since Week 1.

Now I do think we need to find a way to beat Auburn or Missouri in order to so that we can have something other than moral victories to hang our hats on, but I am pleased with the growth we have shown in recent weeks and now feel much better about our chances to win either of these last two games.

I was not saying it was ok to lose the egg. But if I could pick one to lose it was this one. They know what it is and they know they were lucky. The cute shit about got Lane beat by a team with 43 scholarship players.

All of y?all should stop pointing to the Vandy game as some black mark. It was a miracle to win it with the OL we had. One OL can make the whole bunch look awful. And that happened. It takes all 11 every snap to win

[Captain Falcon]

I was not saying it was ok to lose the egg. But if I could pick one to lose it was this one. They know what it is and they know they were lucky. The cute shit about got Lane beat by a team with 43 scholarship players.

All of y?all should stop pointing to the Vandy game as some black mark. It was a miracle to win it with the OL we had. One OL can make the whole bunch look awful. And that happened. It takes all 11 every snap to win

I will agree that the OL roster issues in the Vandy game have gotten overlooked, and I will own some of that too. I also thought we did a good job early in the game of working around some of those issues and then got away from it as the game went on for whatever reason. I'm sure Mason made some adjustments, but still. The second half of that game was UGLY.

But that was my point, I feel like the Vandy game to now is a nice "look how far we have come" barometer. Even if we have scored 24 in both of the last two games just as we did against Vandy, the level of competency in which we have done so definitely seems higher. We've just looked more comfortable in general, and I'm sure the OL having more regulars available is part of that, but I think Rogers and the receivers have improved too.