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When was the last time
A P5 team was this bad on offense. One that could not score on teams with a pulse. I'm aiming to make this constructive. Who were those teams (not named Vandy) what were their issues - and how did they fix.
I honestly don't want this to be a Leach or player bashing thread. Let's just discuss football. I'm honestly looking for confidence that we will pull out of this.
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We are averaging 16.3 ppg.
Looking just at SEC teams against conference opponents (since that's all we play this year)
2019 Vandy was 12.8
2017 Tennessee was 14.1
2016 S. Carolina was 15.8
2015 Vandy was 13.3 and Missouri was an unreal 9.1
UT fired Butch after '17; USC did nothing (kept HC and Co-OC's); Gary Pinkel retired.
That's just the past few years in the SEC. So, yeah we are bad, but not historically bad.
Interesting side note - in 2010, MSU was next to last (11th) in scoring offense in conference play at 18.9 ppg.
Last edited by BrunswickDawg; 11-17-2020 at 02:48 PM.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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I don't have time to go down the rabbit hole with you like I'd like to, but I think the general answer here is that there are bad offenses in the Power 5 every year and that the fix is just going to depend on the circumstances. Looking just at the conference, since 2009 25 SEC teams other than Vandy have averaged below 20 points per game in conference play. (We're averaging 16.3 per game now.) That includes State in 2010, 2011, and 2018, when we were 11th, 9th, and 12th in scoring offense in the SEC. Multiple offenders in that span include Tennessee, Kentucky, South Carolina, U. Miss., and Arkansas. (And of course Vandy.) The worst State offense in the past decade was probably 2011, when we were 90th out of 120 teams in national offensive FEI rankings. (Kentukcy and U. Miss. were both even worse, that year. (They also happen to be two of the three SEC teams against whom we scored 20+ points that year.)) If we don't improve much over the last however many games we have left, we're probably on pace to match or surpass that offense as the worst in the past decade. (We're 102nd in FEI offensive rankings out of 130 teams right now.)
Some of the bottom offenses those years fixed things by canning someone. Others fixed it by, well, just getting better the next year, kind of like Leach at WSU in 2012, when he completely torpedoed WSU's middle-of-the-pack pass-first offense from 2011, but then gradually pulled them out of the hole over the next two years before kicking ass and taking names. Who knows what's going to fix our mess. Hopefully Leach since he's already here. If not, well, nuts.
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
We are averaging 16.3 ppg.
Looking just at SEC teams against conference opponents (since that's all we play this year)
2019 Vandy was 12.8
2017 Tennessee was 14.1
2016 S. Carolina was 15.8
2015 Vandy was 13.3 and Missouri was an unreal 9.1
UT fired Butch after '17; USC did nothing (kept HC and Co-OC's); Gary Pinkel retired.
That's just the past few years in the SEC. So, yeah we are bad, but not historically bad.
Interesting side note - in 2010, MSU was next to last (11th) in scoring offense in conference play at 18.9 ppg.
What he said.
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Originally Posted by
Prediction? Pain.
What he said.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
We are averaging 16.3 ppg.
Looking just at SEC teams against conference opponents (since that's all we play this year)
2019 Vandy was 12.8
2017 Tennessee was 14.1
2016 S. Carolina was 15.8
2015 Vandy was 13.3 and Missouri was an unreal 9.1
UT fired Butch after '17; USC did nothing (kept HC and Co-OC's); Gary Pinkel retired.
That's just the past few years in the SEC. So, yeah we are bad, but not historically bad.
Interesting side note - in 2010, MSU was next to last (11th) in scoring offense in conference play at 18.9 ppg.
Thanks this is what I was hoping for. I don't know how to look up all that stuff so Thank you.
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To save time for those still suffering from Croom-induced PTSD
2008 - 12.1
2007 - 19.6
2006 - 15.8
2005 - 9.75
2004 - 17.25
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
Or this:
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
To save time for those still suffering from Croom-induced PTSD
2008 - 12.1
2007 - 19.6
2006 - 15.8
2005 - 9.75
2004 - 17.25
SEC ranks in scoring offense those years: 12th, 11th, 11th, 11th, 12th. Hi oh!
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Originally Posted by
Prediction? Pain.
SEC ranks in scoring offense those years: 12th, 11th, 11th, 11th, 12th. Hi oh!
We are averaging 10.8 since LSU.
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
We are averaging 10.8 since LSU.
The 2005 offense, outside of the 35 points scored against Ole Miss, averaged 5.7 ppg.
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
The 2005 offense, outside of the 35 points scored against Ole Miss, averaged 5.7 ppg.
Holy shit, lol.
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to use an old Cliche .... you are only as strong as your weakest link. If that's the OL then find ways to shore them up either by scheming, substituting, or playing to their strong points .... If it's WR's or QB's then the same principle applies. If it's coaching then add some innovation ... if it's the drug test then convert them to mushrooms**
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
The 2005 offense, outside of the 35 points scored against Ole Miss, averaged 5.7 ppg.
strong to quite strong.
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Originally Posted by
BeardoMSU
Holy shit, lol.
Jackie's '03 bunch wasn't much better.
11.6 in SEC play.
Factor out the 30 vs. Vandy and it drops to 9 ppg in SEC play.
Yes, we've seen some shit-tastic offenses at MSU
"After dealing with Ole Miss for over a year," he said, "I've learned to expect their leadership to do and say things that the leadership at other Division I schools would never consider doing and to justify their actions by reminding themselves that "We're Ole Miss.""
- Tom Mars, Esq. 4.9.18
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
We are averaging 16.3 ppg.
Looking just at SEC teams against conference opponents (since that's all we play this year)
2019 Vandy was 12.8
2017 Tennessee was 14.1
2016 S. Carolina was 15.8
2015 Vandy was 13.3 and Missouri was an unreal 9.1
UT fired Butch after '17; USC did nothing (kept HC and Co-OC's); Gary Pinkel retired.
That's just the past few years in the SEC. So, yeah we are bad, but not historically bad.
Interesting side note - in 2010, MSU was next to last (11th) in scoring offense in conference play at 18.9 ppg.
In other words most of MSU's best offenses even under Dan were when we could pass the ball adequately. Which is ironic.
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Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
We are averaging 10.8 since LSU.
OK, but then compare us to every other SEC team over the last decade with their best game removed.
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The title of this thread should be "If you are a long time Mississippi State fan why haven't you killed yourself?"
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Originally Posted by
BrunswickDawg
To save time for those still suffering from Croom-induced PTSD
2008 - 12.1
2007 - 19.6
2006 - 15.8
2005 - 9.75
2004 - 17.25
07 was worse than that; we averaged about 7 a game non offensive TDs. We've had several non O pts this year and several TDs setup by TOs so this years is a little worse than just by the numbers too. Take away how many the O has given away on pick 6s and it looks worse.
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Originally Posted by
LC Dawg
The title of this thread should be "If you are a long time Mississippi State fan why haven't you killed yourself?"
Or just "Brooks was here"**
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