Our Athletic Dept as a Whole

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't think Cohen is bad at his job, but I do question how connected he is in the industry.

When you're a baseball coach, you swim with a different pool of people than you do in athletic administration.

When Stricklin and Byrne would coming up, how many people did they get to know at different institution in marketing, sales, coaching agents, etc? Now, did Cohen get to know those same people while coaching baseball? I doubt it.

Thus, and I could be wrong, it seems like we may have an AD that just isn't that connected with people to share ideas & help him do his job.

[confucius say]

The women's golf coach?? It happened 2 weeks ago.... who cares really.

Nobody would care that she left. But some may be interested in why she left.

[confucius say]

People are seriously mad that McCray-Penson tweeted something about Biden? Don't think I remember people being "alienated" when Mullen was posting pictures from the 2016 RNC with MAGA hats.

In any event, no public university employee is getting fired because of who they support politically. That's actually what First Amendment retaliation is about...

I think she rubbed some people wrong when she was very supportive of BLM (the organization). Then the Biden tweet.

Then others were upset that she removed the tweet, or was required to do so.

[Cooterpoot]

Nobody would care that she left. But some may be interested in why she left.

Playing rock, paper, SCISSORS?

[ShotgunDawg]

I think she rubbed some people wrong when she was very supportive of BLM (the organization). Then the Biden tweet.

Then others were upset that she removed the tweet, or was required to do so.

I don't care really what your political opinions are, but have the awareness to not shit where you eat.

Awareness & contentiousness are two major signs of successful people & when someone shows an inability to read the room & have awareness, I question some things.

[msu15]

Man I miss the days when we argued about how many times Fitzgerald was actually calling his own number instead of running a read.

[Cooterpoot]

I wouldn't care if she was a lesbian that voted for Biden and was a Scientologist if she wins games.

[confucius say]

He came out with that whole "we aren't as free as we're used to be" shit after the election. Then people all over the internet talking about him being a Trump supporter and friend (it's on here). I'll say again, politics is silliness. Adults getting pissed about it is stupid. I don't give a rats ass who someone votes for.

He made that statement in response to whether he had any thoughts he'd like to express on the covid situation. In other words, first amendment protections. And he's right, you don't have the first am protections as a govt employee you had pre Garcetti and the Pickering balancing test. Because he is contractually obligated to speak at pressers, what he says during them is in his ordinary job duties and he may be fired for it. Govt employees don't have first amendment protection when speaking pursuant to their ordinary job duties. Remember, Leach is a lawyer by trade.

[confucius say]

Man I miss the days when we argued about how many times Fitzgerald was actually calling his own number instead of running a read.

And stans! 20 win seasons damn it!

[confucius say]

I wouldn't care if she was a lesbian that voted for Biden and was a Scientologist if she wins games.

Agree

[Cooterpoot]

He made that statement in response to whether he had any thoughts he'd like to express on the covid situation. In other words, first amendment protections. And he's right, you don't have the first am protections as a govt employee you had pre Garcetti and the Pickering balancing test. Because he is contractually obligated to speak at pressers, what he says during them is in his ordinary job duties and he may be fired for it. Govt employees don't have first amendment protection when speaking pursuant to their ordinary job duties. Remember, Leach is a lawyer by trade.

Doesn't matter what he meant. It's how it was perceived. See the twitter incident. Which is also stupid.

[Bothrops]

You have to understand that there will always be athletes and coaches that live in a different planetary orbit. I don't care. I want to win, the earth, hell, and galaxy aren't going to change, just win here.

[BeardoMSU]

Man I miss the days when we argued about how many times Fitzgerald was actually calling his own number instead of running a read.

[Lord McBuckethead]

If this is over anything political they need to grow up. Just like no one cares if Leach supports Trump, no one should care who she supports. It?s all about results. If we fire Leach it won?t be related to his politics, same with any other coach. A coach doesn?t lose their freedom of speech. People need to learn to listen to views outside their own bubble.

Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with this, and yes as a coach of a team with a fanbase and its need to make money....what you say has consequences. Now we can debate if those consequences of the woman's basketball coach or our football coach for that matter are on par with whatever they said or did that approached a political statement here or there, but you are damn wrong that they can say whatever they wish and there isn't consequences.

As representatives of our university, they know better, or they will pretty soon.

[Lord McBuckethead]

I think she rubbed some people wrong when she was very supportive of BLM (the organization). Then the Biden tweet.

Then others were upset that she removed the tweet, or was required to do so.

Good that she supports Biden. Can't wait to donate to his election defense fund again. *****message board explodes in anger *****

[Todd4State]

I don't think Cohen is bad at his job, but I do question how connected he is in the industry.

When you're a baseball coach, you swim with a different pool of people than you do in athletic administration.

When Stricklin and Byrne would coming up, how many people did they get to know at different institution in marketing, sales, coaching agents, etc? Now, did Cohen get to know those same people while coaching baseball? I doubt it.

Thus, and I could be wrong, it seems like we may have an AD that just isn't that connected with people to share ideas & help him do his job.

This is precisely Cohen's problem. He's simply not qualified. Would we hire Greg Byrne to be our baseball coach? It's almost the same difference when you think about it.

Look at even his most successful hire he made an ass out of himself proclaiming that we were going to hire a coach with Omaha experience. And that wasn't fair to Lemonis.

I think Leach will be fine long term mainly because of his historical track record. But people are always going to be upset because "we didn't have to rebuild"- which is happening largely in part because of another bad football hire he made.

[Todd4State]

Freedom of Speech has nothing to do with this, and yes as a coach of a team with a fanbase and its need to make money....what you say has consequences. Now we can debate if those consequences of the woman's basketball coach or our football coach for that matter are on par with whatever they said or did that approached a political statement here or there, but you are damn wrong that they can say whatever they wish and there isn't consequences.

As representatives of our university, they know better, or they will pretty soon.

MSU fails pretty bad at this historically. More specifically with football players during the Moorhead era.

[99jc]

I wouldn't care if she was a lesbian that voted for Biden and was a Scientologist if she wins games.

I wouldn't care if she was a lesbian that voted for Biden and was a Socialist if she wins games. That would be a more correct statement!

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Vic didn?t leave because of the opportunity at Texas. If Stricklin or Byrne or basically any qualified AD besides Cohen were still here, Vic would still be here.

[PGHBulldogBG]

While Lemonis appears to be a good hire, there is no doubt that the search was a train wreck. I think Cohen fell into the trap that many of our fans did thinking we could get any coach we wanted in baseball. I just will never understand hiring a former baseball coach as AD.