Our Athletic Dept as a Whole

[confucius say]

I've heard some whispers about the coach that resigned this week. Anybody know exactly what that was about?

Football issues are obvious.

A lot of fans, right or wrong, are not happy with women's basketball coach. I fear that fan support Will not being what it was with Vic.

All that to say, does Cohen survive this if leach doesn't get it turned around? Should he?

[StarkVegasSteve]

No he doesn't survive and no he shouldn't survive if Leach doesn't turn it around. Fair or not, AD's are defined by their hires in football and men's basketball. Find me a P5 AD that has survived more than one bad hire in those sports without some serious accumulated good will.

[Coach34]

Our women's basketball coach better win because she has already alienated some of her fanbase

[RocketDawg]

Our women's basketball coach better win because she has already alienated some of her fanbase

Yes she has. Taking Vic's place was a hard enough job, and she's apparently made it more difficult.

[Mobile Bay]

Yes she has. Taking Vic's place was a hard enough job, and she's apparently made it more difficult.

I don't know. I doubt it's bothering the recruits and players. Might even help there. Who knows, the next Tiera McCowin might have had a Biden sign in the yard, or all over her Instagram.

[R2Dawg]

Our women's basketball coach better win because she has already alienated some of her fanbase

What has she done? Have not seen anything.

[Liverpooldawg]

Cohen needs to go no matter what happens with Leach.

[Cooterpoot]

People getting their drawers in a wad over political stuff are stupid. She hasn't even coached a game. Leach rants about Trump. People need to grow the 17 up.
And the likelihood of us firing Cohen is far more slim than you might imagine. It's been over 40 years since we fired an AD, he was the damn coach. Do you think if our President didn't have the sack to fire Moorhead he's going to fire Cohen, who has more support? I'm not sure he does.

[ShotgunDawg]

People getting their drawers in a wad over political stuff are stupid. She hasn't even coached a game. Leach rants about Trump. People need to grow the 17 up.
And the likelihood of us firing Cohen is far more slim than you might imagine. It's been over 40 years since we fired an AD, he was the damn coach. Do you think if our President didn't have the sack to fire Moorhead he's going to fire Cohen, who has more support? I'm not sure he does.

We fired Lonnie

[confucius say]

Our women's basketball coach better win because she has already alienated some of her fanbase

Yea that's what I was referring to.

[Todd4State]

Yea that's what I was referring to.

I don't care about our coaches political beliefs but it's typically poor form to make those known on a work related account.

[RocketDawg]

I don't care about our coaches political beliefs but it's typically poor form to make those known on a work related account.

Correct - we should not know or care about the political leanings of Cohen, Leach, the women's basketball coach, or any of the others. They're the ones who make it an issue by opening their mouths.

[Dawgology]

I don't care about our coaches political beliefs but it's typically poor form to make those known on a work related account.

Yeah but she has “principles”. That’s all that matters in a coach to some posters here.

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't think Cohen is bad at his job, but I do question how connected he is in the industry.

When you're a baseball coach, you swim with a different pool of people than you do in athletic administration.

When Stricklin and Byrne would coming up, how many people did they get to know at different institution in marketing, sales, coaching agents, etc? Now, did Cohen get to know those same people while coaching baseball? I doubt it.

Thus, and I could be wrong, it seems like we may have an AD that just isn't that connected with people to share ideas & help him do his job.

[Todd4State]

I don't think Cohen is bad at his job, but I do question how connected he is in the industry.

When you're a baseball coach, you swim with a different pool of people than you do in athletic administration.

When Stricklin and Byrne would coming up, how many people did they get to know at different institution in marketing, sales, coaching agents, etc? Now, did Cohen get to know those same people while coaching baseball? I doubt it.

Thus, and I could be wrong, it seems like we may have an AD that just isn't that connected with people to share ideas & help him do his job.

This is precisely Cohen's problem. He's simply not qualified. Would we hire Greg Byrne to be our baseball coach? It's almost the same difference when you think about it.

Look at even his most successful hire he made an ass out of himself proclaiming that we were going to hire a coach with Omaha experience. And that wasn't fair to Lemonis.

I think Leach will be fine long term mainly because of his historical track record. But people are always going to be upset because "we didn't have to rebuild"- which is happening largely in part because of another bad football hire he made.

[Extendedcab]

Yeah but she has ?principles?. That?s all that matters in a coach to some posters here.

I think there is a misunderstanding in what previous posts implied regarding ethics. Ethics is not all that matters, however it is the primary criteria. In other words if a coach does not have ethics then they automatically do NOT qualify for the job. When a coach or coaches are found that do have ethics, then we grade them on how well they coach. It is pretty simple!

My question, regarding ethical coaches, is why would you want an unethical coach 1) representing your university and 2) having access to young impressionable kids? This is a recipe for disaster! Look at Freeze, hiring a call service for himself and reportedly for prospective student/athletics as well! Look at Penn State, the MSU baseball coach a couple of years ago, now I'm hearing our golf coach was fired for improprieties. This level of depravity was unheard of in generations pasts. Has anybody thought about the negative impact these coaches have on the students/athletics? What has happen to us as a people? The apostle Paul wrote, that men in the last days would become "incontinent", or without self-control, and "lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God". Those phrases accurately describe the self-centered mindset overrunning our nation. How disgraceful!

I love MSU just as much as anyone else, (I am a 82 graduate in electrical engineering, my wife went to MSU for 1 year, 3 of my 4 sons went to MSU - 2 graduated with degrees in physics), but is putting a W in the win column more important than hiring a moral person first and foremost and then a coach? Is there any such person left that would fill that role? I have ethics, but I am not a coach, even though I play one on TV or else I would apply!

There has to be a better way than imitating unethical institutions by hiring known unethical people.

[StarkVegasSteve]

I think there is a misunderstanding in what previous posts implied regarding ethics. Ethics is not all that matters, however it is the primary criteria. In other words if a coach does not have ethics then they automatically do NOT qualify for the job. When a coach or coaches are found that do have ethics, then we grade them on how well they coach. It is pretty simple!

My question, regarding ethical coaches, is why would you want an unethical coach 1) representing your university and 2) having access to young impressionable kids? This is a recipe for disaster! Look at Freeze, hiring a call service for himself and reportedly for prospective student/athletics as well! Look at Penn State, the MSU baseball coach a couple of years ago, now I'm hearing our golf coach was fired for improprieties. This level of depravity was unheard of in generations pasts. Has anybody thought about the negative impact these coaches have on the students/athletics? What has happen to us as a people? The apostle Paul wrote, that men in the last days would become "incontinent", or without self-control, and "lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God". Those phrases accurately describe the self-centered mindset overrunning our nation. How disgraceful!

I love MSU just as much as anyone else, (I am a 82 graduate in electrical engineering, my wife went to MSU for 1 year, 3 of my 4 sons went to MSU - 2 graduated with degrees in physics), but is putting a W in the win column more important than hiring a moral person first and foremost and then a coach? Is there any such person left that would fill that role? I have ethics, but I am not a coach, even though I play one on TV or else I would apply!

There has to be a better way than imitating unethical institutions by hiring known unethical people.

You want honesty.....YES. I don't care about what they do in their private lives. They want to sleep around, that's fine. As long as it doesn't affect their coaching ability I really don't care. That's what gott Cann fired. It affected his coaching ability. I'd much rather win than go 4-8 just to say we got a nice guy coaching us. If ethics mattered then Dan Mullen wouldn't have been our HC, Jackie Sherrill wouldn't have been our HC, Rick Stansbury would've been fired long before he "retired", Dak Prescott would've been kicked off the team before 14, and I could go on and on. If you want to stand on a moral high ground then you'll have to continually be happy with crappy coaches.

[BrunswickDawg]

I think there is a misunderstanding in what previous posts implied regarding ethics. Ethics is not all that matters, however it is the primary criteria. In other words if a coach does not have ethics then they automatically do NOT qualify for the job. When a coach or coaches are found that do have ethics, then we grade them on how well they coach. It is pretty simple!

My question, regarding ethical coaches, is why would you want an unethical coach 1) representing your university and 2) having access to young impressionable kids? This is a recipe for disaster! Look at Freeze, hiring a call service for himself and reportedly for prospective student/athletics as well! Look at Penn State, the MSU baseball coach a couple of years ago, now I'm hearing our golf coach was fired for improprieties. This level of depravity was unheard of in generations pasts. Has anybody thought about the negative impact these coaches have on the students/athletics? What has happen to us as a people? The apostle Paul wrote, that men in the last days would become "incontinent", or without self-control, and "lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God". Those phrases accurately describe the self-centered mindset overrunning our nation. How disgraceful!

I love MSU just as much as anyone else, (I am a 82 graduate in electrical engineering, my wife went to MSU for 1 year, 3 of my 4 sons went to MSU - 2 graduated with degrees in physics), but is putting a W in the win column more important than hiring a moral person first and foremost and then a coach? Is there any such person left that would fill that role? I have ethics, but I am not a coach, even though I play one on TV or else I would apply!

There has to be a better way than imitating unethical institutions by hiring known unethical people.

Absolute BS. People have let their desires rule them since the beginning of time (or have you not read Genesis?). Coaches have committed all sorts of improprieties at universities since they first began athletic competition. Hell, the first Egg Bowl was delayed because Ole Miss believed that we hired professional ringers to play the game. Do you know why Babe McCarthy was fired? Why Richard Williams "retired"? MSU had a player shaving points in basketball in the early 60s. Ever heard of the Black Sox?

I'm not condoning any of it - but to act like there is some Golden Era of Principals and Ethics in sports is possibly the dumbest take I've ever read on a message board.

[Matt3467]

I think there is a misunderstanding in what previous posts implied regarding ethics. Ethics is not all that matters, however it is the primary criteria. In other words if a coach does not have ethics then they automatically do NOT qualify for the job. When a coach or coaches are found that do have ethics, then we grade them on how well they coach. It is pretty simple!

My question, regarding ethical coaches, is why would you want an unethical coach 1) representing your university and 2) having access to young impressionable kids? This is a recipe for disaster! Look at Freeze, hiring a call service for himself and reportedly for prospective student/athletics as well! Look at Penn State, the MSU baseball coach a couple of years ago, now I'm hearing our golf coach was fired for improprieties. This level of depravity was unheard of in generations pasts. Has anybody thought about the negative impact these coaches have on the students/athletics? What has happen to us as a people? The apostle Paul wrote, that men in the last days would become "incontinent", or without self-control, and "lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God". Those phrases accurately describe the self-centered mindset overrunning our nation. How disgraceful!

I love MSU just as much as anyone else, (I am a 82 graduate in electrical engineering, my wife went to MSU for 1 year, 3 of my 4 sons went to MSU - 2 graduated with degrees in physics), but is putting a W in the win column more important than hiring a moral person first and foremost and then a coach? Is there any such person left that would fill that role? I have ethics, but I am not a coach, even though I play one on TV or else I would apply!

There has to be a better way than imitating unethical institutions by hiring known unethical people.

I wish the world over people thought like you but fact is that there will never be sports without corruption and there's next to no chance a consistent winner will be built in college football without some shortcuts. You replied the other day and said that you hoped I didn't lead my personal life that way and the answer is I don't. There's a difference though between my personal life and sports. I would also never entertain coaching because I know that unless I wanted to go far and win big on the big stage there would have to be some moral sacrifices somewhere. Just the way it is in sports.

[Leeshouldveflanked]

Cohen needs to go today because he is a bad AD.