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    Quote Originally Posted by msbulldog View Post
    No way in Hell, Hugh Freeze at MSU.
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    Yeah, not happening here
    Well tbh the same thing was said about Leach.

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    If Leach turns out to be a disaster you can't let Cohen touch the next hire. He clearly just doesn't get what a FB coach needs to win in the SEC at that point.

    You have to fire Cohen first and hire a new AD. That takes time... traditionally very few programs do both in the same year.

    Then of course you have to ask 1) who'd be picking then next AD (if it's the same people that picked Cohen why'd we think the new AD will be better?), and 2) do we really trust the new AD to get the hire right? Most coaching hires are failures, most of the rest are mediocre, and only a few are really "good" hires that move the program up a peg.

    Cohen honestly didn't really do any grave sin. In '17 he went to the AD that hired Mullen and asked him what he'd do, got told to hire a P5 OC, and so he did. Can't blame him for trying to replicate the best hire we've ever made. We all thought JoMo was great till we saw the results on the field, so I can't blame Cohen for liking him either. He also tred to hire Day before Joe which would ahve abeen a great hire. Then he correctly saw the flaw in hiring unproven coordinators and tried to hire a proven HC- Napier. The drama post Egg Bowl happens and that falls though through no fault of his own. Then he finally gets the greenlight to make a move and he gets a more proven winner than we have any right to get- Leach.

    If Leach ain't it I can't fault Cohen for going that route. I still haven't heard who this board thinks he should have hired in January 2020 instead- all the good names were hired already and Napier turned us down. On paper Leach is far far better than anyone else we could have gotten. Clawson is the closest but he ain't won 2 National Coach of the year awards at 2 different schools, has he? Ironically Freeze might have been the best coach available, but he hadn't had this breakout year, has a ton of baggage Cohen hates, and the SEC wouldn't allow it anyway.

    The only real mistake I've seen from Cohen is to think of hiring Joe Judge. That one came from left field and makes no sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    If Leach turns out to be a disaster you can't let Cohen touch the next hire. He clearly just doesn't get what a FB coach needs to win in the SEC at that point.

    You have to fire Cohen first and hire a new AD. That takes time... traditionally very few programs do both in the same year.

    Then of course you have to ask 1) who'd be picking then next AD (if it's the same people that picked Cohen why'd we think the new AD will be better?), and 2) do we really trust the new AD to get the hire right? Most coaching hires are failures, most of the rest are mediocre, and only a few are really "good" hires that move the program up a peg.

    Cohen honestly didn't really do any grave sin. In '17 he went to the AD that hired Mullen and asked him what he'd do, got told to hire a P5 OC, and so he did. Can't blame him for trying to replicate the best hire we've ever made. We all thought JoMo was great till we saw the results on the field, so I can't blame Cohen for liking him either. He also tred to hire Day before Joe which would ahve abeen a great hire. Then he correctly saw the flaw in hiring unproven coordinators and tried to hire a proven HC- Napier. The drama post Egg Bowl happens and that falls though through no fault of his own. Then he finally gets the greenlight to make a move and he gets a more proven winner than we have any right to get- Leach.

    If Leach ain't it I can't fault Cohen for going that route. I still haven't heard who this board thinks he should have hired in January 2020 instead- all the good names were hired already and Napier turned us down. On paper Leach is far far better than anyone else we could have gotten. Clawson is the closest but he ain't won 2 National Coach of the year awards at 2 different schools, has he? Ironically Freeze might have been the best coach available, but he hadn't had this breakout year, has a ton of baggage Cohen hates, and the SEC wouldn't allow it anyway.

    The only real mistake I've seen from Cohen is to think of hiring Joe Judge. That one came from left field and makes no sense
    Cohn went to the cheerleader not Byrne.

    Second is Cohn is a micromanager in every sport EVERY sport.

    While you make good points keep in context that also our best second in command left to GA Southern as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt3467 View Post
    Well tbh the same thing was said about Leach.
    I seriously doubt MSU would hire a guy that they might have had a hand in having investigated.... and should NEVER consider hiring
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    If I were him, I'd want the South Carolina job. SEC, Eastern division, rabid fanbase, big stadium, close to Atlanta, close to North Carolina, not far from north Florida, tons of players to choose from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msbulldog View Post
    No way in Hell, Hugh Freeze at MSU.
    He ends up back at Ole Miss with full forgiveness for his whoreness and misuse of School Phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgfan77 View Post
    Cohn went to the cheerleader not Byrne.

    Second is Cohn is a micromanager in every sport EVERY sport.

    While you make good points keep in context that also our best second in command left to GA Southern as well
    So you're saying we have a good AD waiting at GA Southern for us to call? If he's actually good I'm fine with kicking Cohen to the curb...

    https://news.georgiasouthern.edu/202...etic-director/

    He definitely should know the lay of the land and have some good ideas to improve things here, BUT he has no hiring record and we have no clue if he'll make good hires. Maybe Keenum or the Cigar Boys have talked to him over the years and can look back on his resume of what coaches he liked, but as a fan he's no better at hiring people or fundraising than any other AD in the Sun Belt

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    Hugh Freeze and Arch Manning gonna lead Mississippi State to the promised land.***

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgfan77 View Post
    This. But Leach is running off players he doesn't have too. It's a shit show
    It's not but think what you want
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    Quote Originally Posted by parabrave View Post
    Nope owe it all to Cohen.
    Moorhead is just as much at fault.
    "We will have no problem in handling Kentucky."-Turfdawg67. MSU suffered a 27-17 defeat in 2022 with 225 yards in total offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    If Leach turns out to be a disaster you can't let Cohen touch the next hire. He clearly just doesn't get what a FB coach needs to win in the SEC at that point.

    You have to fire Cohen first and hire a new AD. That takes time... traditionally very few programs do both in the same year.

    Then of course you have to ask 1) who'd be picking then next AD (if it's the same people that picked Cohen why'd we think the new AD will be better?), and 2) do we really trust the new AD to get the hire right? Most coaching hires are failures, most of the rest are mediocre, and only a few are really "good" hires that move the program up a peg.

    Cohen honestly didn't really do any grave sin. In '17 he went to the AD that hired Mullen and asked him what he'd do, got told to hire a P5 OC, and so he did. Can't blame him for trying to replicate the best hire we've ever made. We all thought JoMo was great till we saw the results on the field, so I can't blame Cohen for liking him either. He also tred to hire Day before Joe which would ahve abeen a great hire. Then he correctly saw the flaw in hiring unproven coordinators and tried to hire a proven HC- Napier. The drama post Egg Bowl happens and that falls though through no fault of his own. Then he finally gets the greenlight to make a move and he gets a more proven winner than we have any right to get- Leach.

    If Leach ain't it I can't fault Cohen for going that route. I still haven't heard who this board thinks he should have hired in January 2020 instead- all the good names were hired already and Napier turned us down. On paper Leach is far far better than anyone else we could have gotten. Clawson is the closest but he ain't won 2 National Coach of the year awards at 2 different schools, has he? Ironically Freeze might have been the best coach available, but he hadn't had this breakout year, has a ton of baggage Cohen hates, and the SEC wouldn't allow it anyway.

    The only real mistake I've seen from Cohen is to think of hiring Joe Judge. That one came from left field and makes no sense
    I never thought JoMo was a great hire. I was so mad when we announced him and not Neal Brown. At that moment I knew Cohen had no idea what he was doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG View Post
    I never thought JoMo was a great hire. I was so mad when we announced him and not Neal Brown. At that moment I knew Cohen had no idea what he was doing
    The first time I saw JoMo holding a cowbell, my heart sunk. Somehow, I could just tell he wasn't it.
    There's someone in my head but its not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us View Post
    So you're saying we have a good AD waiting at GA Southern for us to call? If he's actually good I'm fine with kicking Cohen to the curb...

    https://news.georgiasouthern.edu/202...etic-director/

    He definitely should know the lay of the land and have some good ideas to improve things here, BUT he has no hiring record and we have no clue if he'll make good hires. Maybe Keenum or the Cigar Boys have talked to him over the years and can look back on his resume of what coaches he liked, but as a fan he's no better at hiring people or fundraising than any other AD in the Sun Belt
    That's part of the problem though. We keep hiring AD's that have MSU ties. Can we please hire someone that Greg Byrne has mentored instead of under the LT tree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LC Dawg View Post
    Hugh Freeze and Arch Manning gonna lead Mississippi State to the promised land.***
    If that happens I'll wonder what bizarro planet I landed on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawgfan77 View Post
    Cohn went to the cheerleader not Byrne.

    Second is Cohn is a micromanager in every sport EVERY sport.

    While you make good points keep in context that also our best second in command left to GA Southern as well
    And you know this because you work in the Athletic Dept. or some where else at the university?
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    Quote Originally Posted by msbulldog View Post
    And you know this because you work in the Athletic Dept. or some where else at the university?
    Why don't you get some sources... ask around the board the sentiment is the same. Cohen has to be the smartest man in the room his ego is to big.

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    It would be hi-****ing-larious is we hired Freeze. LMAO!! I?d still despise him but I would definitely cheer for him ironically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt3467 View Post
    If three years down the road we're looking for a coach (i hope we don't have to) I'd take Freeze in a heartbeat. Heck I remember saying in a thread while we were looking for a coach we should look at Freeze.
    Are you serious? You would throw all semblance of ethics and morality out the window to hire Freeze just so we could potentially win FB games? Is this what the world has come to ... win at any expense? Oh my, I hope you don't run your personal life that way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    If that happens I'll wonder what bizarro planet I landed on.
    Insert Tim Burton Planet of the Apes scene where Marky Mark lands in DC to be greeted by an ape-headed Lincoln monument, lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Extendedcab View Post
    Are you serious? You would throw all semblance of ethics and morality out the window to hire Freeze just so we could potentially win FB games? Is this what the world has come to ... win at any expense? Oh my, I hope you don't run your personal life that way!
    It's football. We wouldn't be hiring for a chaplain. Besides if you think Bama and Clemson (just to name a few) don't cheat then you're very naive. Also if you think Freeze was the only coach, current, past, or future that used women to lure recruits again you'd be wrong. Freeze is a great coach minus the baggage. The only reason he was blackballed is because he was caught (beating Bama nearly 3 years in a row at Ole Miss didn't help his case). If he cut out the escort business I'd love to have him here.

    Lastly, touching on another point I made. All the big boys cheat. You're not going to win in college football by playing the morality card. Look at 2010 for a great example.

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