The wheels are falling off....

[Coach34]

Next year is a terrible schedule with Arky, Aub, and A&M on the road. At Auburn is a loss no matter what. Arkansas is likely a loss as is A&M....as well as LSU and Bama and possibly NC State.

Struggling again on offense with an offensive guru will be the judgement more than the final record. A 2nd year struggle vs SEC Defenses will lead to alot of people walking out of his corner.

[Bothrops]

Struggling again on offense with an offensive guru will be the judgement more than the final record. A 2nd year struggle vs SEC Defenses will lead to alot of people walking out of his corner.

Someone at qb is going to have to become a juggernaut very very quick.

[DownwardDawg]

Keep in mind, Leach will likely need about 4 years to hit .500. We got rid of our last coach when everyone wanted, now we're gonna have to be patient whether we like it of not. Now if he loses his first two Eggbowls he could be in early trouble.

He will get skull drug in his first two egg bowls. That will probably be the end of the experiment.

[Todd4State]

Let's see- Moorhead comes to us as an offensive guru at Penn State, struggles here and now his offense is good again at Oregon.

Leach is an offensive guru who did well at Wazzu and struggles here in year one.

Maybe it's not them.**

[Todd4State]

Keep in mind, Leach will likely need about 4 years to hit .500. We got rid of our last coach when everyone wanted, now we're gonna have to be patient whether we like it of not. Now if he loses his first two Eggbowls he could be in early trouble.

.500 SEC record or overall?

[Cowbell]

Let's see- Moorhead comes to us as an offensive guru at Penn State, struggles here and now his offense is good again at Oregon.

Leach is an offensive guru who did well at Wazzu and struggles here in year one.

Maybe it's not them.**

You are really reaching here. According to Leach, joes culture is the problem. So you can't play both sides here. The fact you are using Mooreheads success as an OC in a different conference is amateur. Maybe it's SEC defenses.

If you are gonna make arguments, please make it atleast relative.

[Cowbell]

Leach was hired to win- thats the bottom line. Next year will make or break I think. If 2021 isnt any better- then things will get interesting. If Leach is still struggling quite a bit- there is going to be problems and hell raising. And it should be.

Amazing how many people don't get that coaches are to take what they have today and make the most of it. Last I checked we are still selling game tickets for this year and plan to next year. You don't get two exhibition years before it counts. When or lose, you are to be judged as a coach by how your unit performs based on what you were given to work with. Running so many players off that you can't field a team Is cost-prohibitive to the goal of winning.

[Todd4State]

You are really reaching here. According to Leach, joes culture is the problem. So you can't play both sides here. The fact you are using Mooreheads success as an OC in a different conference is amateur. Maybe it's SEC defenses.

If you are gonna make arguments, please make it atleast relative.

Joe's culture is the main problem. I don't disagree there. But relatively speaking if players on other teams can execute these offenses and our guys can't. LSU ran a lot of Moorhead's RPO's- I doubt that they would have done that if they thought Moorhead was the idiot that many on this message board thought he was- or that his offense "wouldn't work" in the SEC.

The this won't work mantra is so overplayed by some of our fans. Get better players in and I guarantee you that any offense will work better- even in the SEC.

Amazing how many people don't get that coaches are to take what they have today and make the most of it. Last I checked we are still selling game tickets for this year and plan to next year. You don't get two exhibition years before it counts. When or lose, you are to be judged as a coach by how your unit performs based on what you were given to work with. Running so many players off that you can't field a team Is cost-prohibitive to the goal of winning.

Amazing how you missed my post about Dave Clawson, Tom Allen, and Neal Brown's first year yesterday. Actually first two years for Clawson and Allen. I could go through football history and point out many great coaches that took a year or two to get things going. I would say that is actually the norm most of the time although I'm sure there are exceptions too. But guys like Saban, Bill Walsh with the 49ers, Bear Bryant at Texas A&M, and Vince Lombardi with the Packers all come to mind. This really shouldn't be surprising given Leach's history at all.

I think we agree that Moorhead's culture was a problem...and you're surprised that Leach has run some people off? That's typically what happens when a new coach comes to town anyway. Even the great Dan Mullen lost some guys.

[was21]

and last time I checked he was still getting 5M year to try and win football games, meaning putting his players in the best position to win now not three years from now

[basedog]

"The this won't work mantra is so overplayed by some of our fans. Get better players in and I guarantee you that any offense will work better- even in the SEC.


Even the great Dan Mullen lost some guys."
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Couple things Todd, I have seen many football seasons at Msu, seen many Coaches come and go, But I can tell you I hope in at least your Lifetime, "we" will see another Coach as good as Dan MUllen was for Msu. Regardless of anyone's take including mine, history says DM was the best or at least one of the very best we have ever had. 9 years is a lifetime now days for any Coach to stay at one place, money and pressure plus being in the Sec which fans are way more impatient than most places in the country with football.

Also, I hope Leach is "regrouping", yes it takes players but his play calling needs to be "retooled", time will tell in the next few years. Hard to catch up to the say top tier schools in the Sec.

Not sure finishing this year will help Leach or the fan base, it's one of my most disappointing seasons ever, mainly from all the post about how great Leach will be before the season. What a terrible adjustments regardless of the players on offense, no imagination, big surprise for me.

[Cooterpoot]

Let's see- Moorhead comes to us as an offensive guru at Penn State, struggles here and now his offense is good again at Oregon.

Leach is an offensive guru who did well at Wazzu and struggles here in year one.

Maybe it's not them.**

Moorhead was never a guru. Just because SI and his agent said It doesn't make it true. And that's Cristibol's offense, not Joes.
Nobody has ever claimed Leach to be a guru either. He just runs an offense that throws it 70% of time.

[confucius say]

You are really reaching here. According to Leach, joes culture is the problem. So you can't play both sides here. The fact you are using Mooreheads success as an OC in a different conference is amateur. Maybe it's SEC defenses.

If you are gonna make arguments, please make it atleast relative.

Sec defenses, outside of 2-4, aren't good.

[confucius say]

Amazing how many people don't get that coaches are to take what they have today and make the most of it. Last I checked we are still selling game tickets for this year and plan to next year. You don't get two exhibition years before it counts. When or lose, you are to be judged as a coach by how your unit performs based on what you were given to work with. Running so many players off that you can't field a team Is cost-prohibitive to the goal of winning.

Maybe it should be. But it's not. It is clear his primary goal for this season is not to win as many games as possible. You don't get get rid of your best players and let others walk if your primary concern is winning now. You also don't run the air raid with a team that's been power spread based. Leach doesn't care about winning now. Accept it.

[HancockCountyDog]

All this Moorhead 'culture" excuse is just that - an excuse. A bogus one at that.

When the season started and we kicked the shit out of LSU - i didn't hear one person spouting this culture BS. It was the opposite, people praised the Leach Beach and how the team was so happy, focused and finally disciplined. Now that teams have watched Washington film, all of a sudden its culture, drugs, and laziness. So let me get this right, our team had a bad culture, were taking drugs and were lazy, yet worked hard enough during the summer to go into Baton Rouge in the first weekend of the year and kicked the shit out of the reigning National Champs - and then decided to stop trying because that is the culture Moorhead fostered? How does that make any sense?

That is the story we are telling?

As opposed to the story that the kids clearly worked hard enough to be ready to play in their first game, they played hard and ran into a DC that decided to blitz the air raid. After that, every team we have played has incorporated some version of the 3-8 and the offense has looked like dog shit. The defense has played as well or if not better than they did in the LSU game. So its just the offense that is infected with terrible, lazy, drug addicts?

I guess its a whole lot easier to call a bunch of kids that have worked their ass off for multiple years, won plenty of games for us, lazy drug addicts without any real proof, but all you are doing is making excuses for a guy being paid 5 million dollars a year to win games. That's it - that is all you are doing and I think a lot of our fans need to look in the mirror and realize what they are saying and posting because its pretty damn disgusting.

[ShotgunDawg]

All this Moorhead 'culture" excuse is just that - an excuse. A bogus one at that.

When the season started and we kicked the shit out of LSU - i didn't hear one person spouting this culture BS. It was the opposite, people praised the Leach Beach and how the team was so happy, focused and finally disciplined. Now that teams have watched Washington film, all of a sudden its culture, drugs, and laziness. So let me get this right, our team had a bad culture, were taking drugs and were lazy, yet worked hard enough during the summer to go into Baton Rouge in the first weekend of the year and kicked the shit out of the reigning National Champs - and then decided to stop trying because that is the culture Moorhead fostered? How does that make any sense?

That is the story we are telling?

As opposed to the story that the kids clearly worked hard enough to be ready to play in their first game, they played hard and ran into a DC that decided to blitz the air raid. After that, every team we have played has incorporated some version of the 3-8 and the offense has looked like dog shit. The defense has played as well or if not better than they did in the LSU game. So its just the offense that is infected with terrible, lazy, drug addicts?

I guess its a whole lot easier to call a bunch of kids that have worked their ass off for multiple years, won plenty of games for us, lazy drug addicts without any real proof, but all you are doing is making excuses for a guy being paid 5 million dollars a year to win games. That's it - that is all you are doing and I think a lot of our fans need to look in the mirror and realize what they are saying and posting because its pretty damn disgusting.

We literally had a starter quit the other day when & because the DC yelled at him.

Enough said. The toughness level of this program is pathetic.

Is that the only reason we're losing? Of course not, but it's a real problem that has to get fixed for us to really take the next step

[msugolf]

All this Moorhead 'culture" excuse is just that - an excuse. A bogus one at that.

When the season started and we kicked the shit out of LSU - i didn't hear one person spouting this culture BS. It was the opposite, people praised the Leach Beach and how the team was so happy, focused and finally disciplined. Now that teams have watched Washington film, all of a sudden its culture, drugs, and laziness. So let me get this right, our team had a bad culture, were taking drugs and were lazy, yet worked hard enough during the summer to go into Baton Rouge in the first weekend of the year and kicked this shit out of the reigning National Champs - and then decided to stop trying because that is the culture to Moorhead fostered? How does that make any sense?

That is the story we are telling?

As opposed to the kids clearly worked hard enough to be ready to play in their first game, they played hard and ran into a DC that decided to blitz the air raid. After that, every team we have played has incorporated some version of the 3-8 and the offense has looked like dog shit. The defense has played as well or if not better than they did in the LSU game. So its just the offense that is infected with terrible, lazy, drug addicts?

I guess its a whole lot easier to call a bunch of kids that have worked their ass off for multiple years, won plenty of games for us, lazy drug addicts without any real proof, but all you are doing is making excuses for a guy being paid 5 million dollars a year to win games. Thats it - that is all you are doing and I think a lot of our fans need to look in the mirror and realize what they are saying and posting because its pretty damn disgusting.

Exactly right. We have several folks that have dug their heels in and said I'm gonna go pro-Leach regardless of what he does and spin everything to favor him. They are gonna go down with the ship and could care less about the program. For as mad as Coach34 makes them about wanting to be right more than State winning, they are doing the same thing with Leach.

Cohen has a major problem on his hands right now. He's losing money and support from boosters and alumni. Angering other coaches in other sports (one left this week over social awareness issues) and we are on the verge of not being able to even field a football team. Next year we'll be lucky to have 75 scholarship players on the team after all of the opt outs and transfers. We better wake the F up and realize what's going on before we dig ourselves in a hole that we can't recover from.

[msugolf]

We literally had a starter quit the other day when & because the DC yelled at him.

Enough said. The toughness level of this program is pathetic.

Is that the only reason we're losing? Of course not, but it's a real problem that has to get fixed for us to really take the next step

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about if you think that's the whole story

[ShotgunDawg]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about if you think that's the whole story

Oh really?

That's pretty much the story as I've heard it. What's the rest of the story?

[DeltaChicagoDog]

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about if you think that's the whole story

Okay, then what is the whole story? Should be able to covey this without stepping on toes.

[bluelightstar]

All this Moorhead 'culture" excuse is just that - an excuse. A bogus one at that.

When the season started and we kicked the shit out of LSU - i didn't hear one person spouting this culture BS. It was the opposite, people praised the Leach Beach and how the team was so happy, focused and finally disciplined. Now that teams have watched Washington film, all of a sudden its culture, drugs, and laziness. So let me get this right, our team had a bad culture, were taking drugs and were lazy, yet worked hard enough during the summer to go into Baton Rouge in the first weekend of the year and kicked the shit out of the reigning National Champs - and then decided to stop trying because that is the culture Moorhead fostered? How does that make any sense?

That is the story we are telling?

As opposed to the story that the kids clearly worked hard enough to be ready to play in their first game, they played hard and ran into a DC that decided to blitz the air raid. After that, every team we have played has incorporated some version of the 3-8 and the offense has looked like dog shit. The defense has played as well or if not better than they did in the LSU game. So its just the offense that is infected with terrible, lazy, drug addicts?

I guess its a whole lot easier to call a bunch of kids that have worked their ass off for multiple years, won plenty of games for us, lazy drug addicts without any real proof, but all you are doing is making excuses for a guy being paid 5 million dollars a year to win games. That's it - that is all you are doing and I think a lot of our fans need to look in the mirror and realize what they are saying and posting because its pretty damn disgusting.

Bravo.