we have shitty WRs and we are trying to run the Air Raid

[tcdog70]

that boys is 90% of the problem. Our Ol has been bad, but looked improved. How many times will Osiris ***** out? real SEC receivers go get the ball. Our WRs can't get separation and when they have a ball hit their hands-they probably won't catch it. Name 1 Guy we have that is a SEC talent? Until we sign real SEC receivers we will sux in the Air Raid.

[msstate7]

WRs looked good week 1. Plenty of separation

[HoopsDawg]

that boys is 90% of the problem.

Nope

[Irondawg]

I don’t think it’s the full problem but it’s part of the problem for sure. The biggest problem is the defense is just taking away the main routes we try to run and daring us to run.

I’d love to see us put Spivey or Cumbest in the slot and then motion them out and make them essential a lead blocker on some running plays. We’ve got to find a way to get 5+ a carry and do it until they start coming out of it some.

Better receivers will help but we are simply playing 5 v 7-8 in coverage

[bluelightstar]

Our fans will call our student athletes shitty but fall over themselves to defend the game plans of our multimillionaire coaches

[HoopsDawg]

Our fans will call our student athletes shitty but fall over themselves to defend the game plans of our multimillionaire coaches

so true.

[ShotgunDawg]

We'll never have good WRs unless we have something to sell to them. That's what we're trying to do here and it's painful to watch even though I believe it's the right thing to do.

[MetEdDawg]

We don't necessarily have shitty WRs. We have shitty Air Raid WRs. We need the following things:

1) A QB who can anticipate the openings in the zones.

2) WRs that can read a defense and adjust to what's being given.

If you haven't watched high school football recently, WRs aren't being taught a ton. Talent wins. Throw ball catch ball. Man coverage with safeties over the top. And it's why Leach doesn't play young kids a lot. Because it takes time to learn the subtleties and variations within his offense. But teaching WRs to read defenses and find zones isn't happening in high school football. It's why we look lost. We've got WRs doing things they haven't done with QBs trying to read and throw zone 65 plays a game.

We have a steep learning gap right now and Leach will not sacrifice the future for the now. We need experience and we need guys that know how to do the job in this offense. It's not shocking they look lost. They are lost. No spring practice, limited summer ball, and some of our kids have learned 3 offenses in 4 years. Leach needs more than 5 games to make this into his own.

Eventually the players learn to beat the zone, force defenses to switch up what they do, then Leach takes advantage. It's gonna take time to get teams out of the zone. Practice and reps which we didn't get a ton of. But once our WRs and QB are on the same page, things will change.

[R2Dawg]

that boys is 90% of the problem. Our Ol has been bad, but looked improved. How many times will Osiris ***** out? real SEC receivers go get the ball. Our WRs can't get separation and when they have a ball hit their hands-they probably won't catch it. Name 1 Guy we have that is a SEC talent? Until we sign real SEC receivers we will sux in the Air Raid.

Those same WR set an SEC record; that ain't the problem. Thanks for playing. Not saying we have top WR talent, but it is good enough to compete and win some games. MSU has had worse most of our history but we won anyway. Air raid is the problem.

[Bothrops]

that boys is 90% of the problem. Our Ol has been bad, but looked improved. How many times will Osiris ***** out? real SEC receivers go get the ball. Our WRs can't get separation and when they have a ball hit their hands-they probably won't catch it. Name 1 Guy we have that is a SEC talent? Until we sign real SEC receivers we will sux in the Air Raid.

You missed. Was it worth it?

[tcdog70]

I guess I'm wrong--we must have great receivers according to you Guys. But to me-they quit on routes, can't catch and let DBs just snatch the ball out of their hands. They looked ok against LSU. But who hasn't? I might add that they have problems sitting down in zones and a lot of times end up side by side. Maybe spring ball would have helped. So if our receivers are ok, y'all are just blaming ML or what? Oh yeah, I'm waiting on the SEC talent--who is it?

[tcdog70]

WRs looked good week 1. Plenty of separation

If we could convince everyone to play man to man. Looks like everyone gets separation against LSU.

[tcdog70]

You missed. Was it worth it?

Worth what? Is there a prize?

[msstate7]

If we could convince everyone to play man to man. Looks like everyone gets separation against LSU.

A good start to your plan would be run the ball effectively. Gonna be tough to get guys open when it's 8 vs 5.

[bluelightstar]

I guess I'm wrong--we must have great receivers according to you Guys. But to me-they quit on routes, can't catch and let DBs just snatch the ball out of their hands. They looked ok against LSU. But who hasn't? I might add that they have problems sitting down in zones and a lot of times end up side by side. Maybe spring ball would have helped. So if our receivers are ok, y'all are just blaming ML or what? Oh yeah, I'm waiting on the SEC talent--who is it?

Hmm, well, if I'm a coach with mediocre receivers but a line that was recruited to run block and talented running backs, do I choose to call plays that expose what our team is bad at or that emphasize what our team is good at? Can't get mad at a fish that can't climb a tree.

[Interpolation_Dawg_EX]

Shitty is a shitty way to say that these WR's and OL's were not recruited to play this system and don't fit it. How many teams in MS run the Air Raid? How many players on offense were recruited by air raid teams? Mullen and even Moorhead hid a lot of the issues by running the ball and the skill needed at these positions in this system demands much more.

[coachnorm]

We don't necessarily have shitty WRs. We have shitty Air Raid WRs. We need the following things:

1) A QB who can anticipate the openings in the zones.

2) WRs that can read a defense and adjust to what's being given.

If you haven't watched high school football recently, WRs aren't being taught a ton. Talent wins. Throw ball catch ball. Man coverage with safeties over the top. And it's why Leach doesn't play young kids a lot. Because it takes time to learn the subtleties and variations within his offense. But teaching WRs to read defenses and find zones isn't happening in high school football. It's why we look lost. We've got WRs doing things they haven't done with QBs trying to read and throw zone 65 plays a game.

We have a steep learning gap right now and Leach will not sacrifice the future for the now. We need experience and we need guys that know how to do the job in this offense. It's not shocking they look lost. They are lost. No spring practice, limited summer ball, and some of our kids have learned 3 offenses in 4 years. Leach needs more than 5 games to make this into his own.

Eventually the players learn to beat the zone, force defenses to switch up what they do, then Leach takes advantage. It's gonna take time to get teams out of the zone. Practice and reps which we didn't get a ton of. But once our WRs and QB are on the same page, things will change.

You are so correct with your first assessment about being a good receiver and being a good air raid receiver. The upcoming first round draft picks will be great receivers who will never need to execute air raid lateral reads on the defense. Elite receivers get position on defenders quickly to assure a one on one match up and the quarterback launches and the receiver wins. The quarterback gets an alignment read and determines the match up he believes in, the quarterback is not in progression read mode as often as match up mode in football these days. Think about Randy Moss doing air raid reads?????????????????????????

[Cowbell]

The title alone should get this thread locked. I hope I never understand the level of insecurity it takes to make an adult feel good about trashing college kids, many of whom are doing the best they can. If you are going to critique, learn to be respectful about it.

Also, some of you keep talking about better receivers. We need better effort from some and execution from most. But Leach's system has never needed top shelf talent at that position. It is not designed to need those kind of players. A guy like Crabtree is just a bonus that adds another weapon. So that can not be used for an excuse. Execution and experience can.

[coachnorm]

We don't necessarily have shitty WRs. We have shitty Air Raid WRs. We need the following things:

1) A QB who can anticipate the openings in the zones.

2) WRs that can read a defense and adjust to what's being given.

If you haven't watched high school football recently, WRs aren't being taught a ton. Talent wins. Throw ball catch ball. Man coverage with safeties over the top. And it's why Leach doesn't play young kids a lot. Because it takes time to learn the subtleties and variations within his offense. But teaching WRs to read defenses and find zones isn't happening in high school football. It's why we look lost. We've got WRs doing things they haven't done with QBs trying to read and throw zone 65 plays a game.

We have a steep learning gap right now and Leach will not sacrifice the future for the now. We need experience and we need guys that know how to do the job in this offense. It's not shocking they look lost. They are lost. No spring practice, limited summer ball, and some of our kids have learned 3 offenses in 4 years. Leach needs more than 5 games to make this into his own.

Eventually the players learn to beat the zone, force defenses to switch up what they do, then Leach takes advantage. It's gonna take time to get teams out of the zone. Practice and reps which we didn't get a ton of. But once our WRs and QB are on the same page, things will change.

About high school receivers, they are being taught how to win match-up. The progression read game is giving way to the single component match up passing game coast to coast. Many high schools are hiring former NFL receivers to teach the tricks of the trade not well known by others Because of this quality, quarterbacks do not have to be that accurate because receivers know how to position and battle. In the single component match-up passing game, the defense struggles to get to the quarterback because of quick released passes. Defensive coordinators struggle in the match-up passing game because some receivers only need 18 inches of distance to win a match-up. A perfect DC call can end up not perfect?

[Irondawg]

To be fair I don’t think we can talk about how it takes years to learn Leach’s system and run it properly when we bashed Joe for also having a complicated passing game to requires the receiver to make reads and adjust their rate based on those reads.