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10-28-2020, 11:09 AM
#121
Originally Posted by
maroonmania
Up to this point, why should he change? He has never HAD to change because his offense has always been successful both in the Big12 and PAC12. I mean maybe not so much in the Apple Cup but its easy to explain that away as a talent differential when the offense was still good the other 11 games in the PAC12. Now if he can't defeat the rush 3 drop 8 defense IN THE SEC when he gets a full spring practice and some more of his players in here then he will HAVE to adjust or he will be out of a job. I don't think Leach is a guy that takes failure well so I find it hard to believe he won't make some adjustments if it becomes obvious that we can't defeat the drop 8 scheme in the SEC with the way he is currently doing things.
But it's already obvious that this year's team cannot defeat the drop 8 scheme, so what's he waiting on? Is Leach just going to throw away this whole season because he doesn't have his guys yet? This is what worries me about him. I don't see the point in his stubborness.
There's someone in my head but its not me.
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10-28-2020, 02:39 PM
#122
The only 'tweak' needed to beat the 3-8 zone is oline blocking the 3 with 5. The minute they do that Leach will run them out of it on the ground. The only team that he ever went against that could stop the run in a 3-8 once he got his OL guys in was Washington. Considering the talent gap it will probably be similar to us vs Bama and UGA once we get the OL figured out.
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10-28-2020, 02:45 PM
#123
Originally Posted by
MrCoachKlein
The only 'tweak' needed to beat the 3-8 zone is oline blocking the 3 with 5. The minute they do that Leach will run them out of it on the ground. The only team that he ever went against that could stop the run in a 3-8 once he got his OL guys in was Washington. Considering the talent gap it will probably be similar to us vs Bama and UGA once we get the OL figured out.
So do you agree or disagree that most SEC defenses are on par or better than Washington's?
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10-28-2020, 02:56 PM
#124
Better: LSU (normally), Bama, Auburn, UGA, FL
The rest are on par or way worse. You're completely missing the point though.
Washington avg recruiting ranking ~19 - 801 points
Wazzu avg recruiting ranking ~69 - 556 points
MSU avg ~23 - 733 points. The only time we'll see a ~250 point talent differential is Bama (985) OSU (973) and UGA (960). Not that 247 rankings are the end all be all but it's a good gauge of talent differences.
My point being: Once the OL figures out how to beat 3 with 5 then the only teams that should be able to run the 3-8 and stop the run would be those 3 above plus Clemson or a few others.
Last edited by MrCoachKlein; 10-28-2020 at 02:59 PM.
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10-28-2020, 06:17 PM
#125
Originally Posted by
MrCoachKlein
Better: LSU (normally), Bama, Auburn, UGA, FL
The rest are on par or way worse. You're completely missing the point though.
Washington avg recruiting ranking ~19 - 801 points
Wazzu avg recruiting ranking ~69 - 556 points
MSU avg ~23 - 733 points. The only time we'll see a ~250 point talent differential is Bama (985) OSU (973) and UGA (960). Not that 247 rankings are the end all be all but it's a good gauge of talent differences.
My point being: Once the OL figures out how to beat 3 with 5 then the only teams that should be able to run the 3-8 and stop the run would be those 3 above plus Clemson or a few others.
It's not 5 vs 3 though. The wide splits that Leach still uses ensures 1 on 1 matchups with our tackles vs SEC DE's. And they don't have to account for the run so they can just pin their ears back.
The ball is supposed to come out in under 3 but no one is open in under 3 b/c they have blanketed our 5 receivers with 8 in coverage.
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10-28-2020, 07:04 PM
#126
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10-28-2020, 07:16 PM
#127
Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
BUMP
Bucky are any of the players going to speak out and back Leach through all this?
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10-28-2020, 07:19 PM
#128
Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
BUMP
Damn is there another one?
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10-28-2020, 07:27 PM
#129
Originally Posted by
Cowbell
Bucky are any of the players going to speak out and back Leach through all this?
I doubt it but that ain?t their job
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10-28-2020, 07:53 PM
#130
Originally Posted by
msu15
Damn is there another one?
CML basically said there would be more
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10-28-2020, 09:30 PM
#131
It is their job to back to coach if they believe in him and the program. Like the guy said in Remember the Titans - sometimes you have to let a guy go
I’d feel better seeing some players take that side like we all felt better when some players were clearly mad at Jarrion
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10-28-2020, 09:45 PM
#132
Originally Posted by
BuckyIsAB****
I doubt it but that ain?t their job
I usually agree with you, but not here. This football team obviously needs leadership.
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10-29-2020, 01:35 AM
#133
Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
It's not 5 vs 3 though. The wide splits that Leach still uses ensures 1 on 1 matchups with our tackles vs SEC DE's. And they don't have to account for the run so they can just pin their ears back.
The ball is supposed to come out in under 3 but no one is open in under 3 b/c they have blanketed our 5 receivers with 8 in coverage.
You understand the OL problem. A "hooking bull," DE in a wide 9 technique will win 9x out of 10. A hard outside step, then back inside... he gets home dang near every time. The OG two yards inside the tackle is in no mans land a cant help.
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10-29-2020, 08:22 AM
#134
Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
It's not 5 vs 3 though. The wide splits that Leach still uses ensures 1 on 1 matchups with our tackles vs SEC DE's. And they don't have to account for the run so they can just pin their ears back.
The ball is supposed to come out in under 3 but no one is open in under 3 b/c they have blanketed our 5 receivers with 8 in coverage.
They normally do have to account for the run against a Leach offense or he'll hand it off up the middle for 10 yards a pop. They don't this year because we can't run block 3 with 5. The only team that was able to consistently get away with running a 3-8 and stopping Leach from running was Washington. And that was due to the giant talent gap that we will only experience here once a year vs Bama.
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10-29-2020, 08:31 AM
#135
Originally Posted by
PendingTransaction
You understand the OL problem. A "hooking bull," DE in a wide 9 technique will win 9x out of 10. A hard outside step, then back inside... he gets home dang near every time. The OG two yards inside the tackle is in no mans land a cant help.
Yes yes yes!! You could start a thread on this. This is the problem. It's not our talent level. Add into that a stunting linebacker in that wide open gap (that now nobody can get to) and you have a recipe for consistent disaster. The only DC who didn't stop it was the one not willing to adapt. Leach will see a similar fate if he doesn't adapt.
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10-29-2020, 09:54 AM
#136
Originally Posted by
MrCoachKlein
They normally do have to account for the run against a Leach offense or he'll hand it off up the middle for 10 yards a pop. They don't this year because we can't run block 3 with 5. The only team that was able to consistently get away with running a 3-8 and stopping Leach from running was Washington. And that was due to the giant talent gap that we will only experience here once a year vs Bama.
Don't you think it's strange that a 3 year starter like Dareun Parker all the sudden can't run block. This is Eiland 3rd year to start. Sharp started multiple games last year. Posters on here say we struggle b/c our Oline guys were recruited mainly as run blockers not pass blockers. Now, all of the sudden they can't run block? Don't you think it might be our splits and scheme.
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10-29-2020, 09:56 AM
#137
Do we expect anymore players to bite the dust today?
CAN'T PUT A SADDLE ON A MUSTANG
Quit Your Bi$&$&?!, He's Not Going to Run the Ball More
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10-29-2020, 10:11 AM
#138
Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
Don't you think it's strange that a 3 year starter like Dareun Parker all the sudden can't run block. This is Eiland 3rd year to start. Sharp started multiple games last year. Posters on here say we struggle b/c our Oline guys were recruited mainly as run blockers not pass blockers. Now, all of the sudden they can't run block? Don't you think it might be our splits and scheme.
Maybe they just forgot how to run block** .... as a former left tackle I always thought it was easier to pass block than to run block but right now our run game is as bland as a jar of Gerber's creamed carrots .... yes, it's splits and scheme
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10-29-2020, 10:35 AM
#139
Originally Posted by
HoopsDawg
Don't you think it's strange that a 3 year starter like Dareun Parker all the sudden can't run block. This is Eiland 3rd year to start. Sharp started multiple games last year. Posters on here say we struggle b/c our Oline guys were recruited mainly as run blockers not pass blockers. Now, all of the sudden they can't run block? Don't you think it might be our splits and scheme.
It's learning a new system and having a couple guys that are just too damn slow to block who they're being asked to block. Parker has been the best in the middle. Cross outside. Eiland has never been a good tackle. Sharp has always been limited. I saw these same guys struggle last year or two trying to block. There's a reason we're offering several OL.
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10-29-2020, 12:35 PM
#140
I watched last year's OL run for the following:
460 yards against UPig
240 yards against A&M
166 yards against AU
265 yards against UK
234 yards against bears
193 yards against Lville
220 yards against KSU
234 yards against USM
Tell me again why a team with mostly returning starters and adding a 5 star OL RS freshman, along with the returning starting RB should not be able to run the ball this year? Are we sure it is the players?
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