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[ShotgunDawg]

My post is not dumb. I believe in Leach as much as anybody but I'm seeing some very scary signs that tell me this is not going to be a match made in heaven. And he certainly has time to turn it around. But he is not getting the most out of what he has. And that is not good at MSU. Coaching the way he coached today will get him fired in 2022. Today was pitiful coaching. Starting with leaving KJ in for three quarters.

Your post was dumb because it made inaccurate points based off your emotion and not fact.

Secondly, I agree if we still look like this in 2022 Leach may get fired, but we won't. We won't resemble this in two years.

We'll have a 3 year starter at QB, experienced Leach type WRs, and an offensive line that knows what they're doing.

Leach's offenses go as the QB goes. That' obvious. What's no so obvious but fairly likely is that he found that QB in the 4th quarter today.

Leach even said after the game that he's never had a FR QB conduct a drive like Will did against that Caliber of competition.

Just wait. I get it, it's frustrating, but it's coming. I feel like we're headed in the right direction more today than I have at any point.

[BeardoMSU]

Your post was dumb because it made inaccurate points based off your emotion and not fact.

Secondly, I agree if we still look like this in 2022 Leach may get fired, but we won't. We won't resemble this in two years.

We'll have a 3 year starter at QB, experienced Leach type WRs, and an offensive line that knows what they're doing.

Leach's offenses go as the QB goes. That' obvious. What's no so obvious but fairly likely is that he found that QB in the 4th quarter today.

Leach even said after the game that he's never had a FR QB conduct a drive like Will did against that Caliber of competition.

Just wait. I get it, it's frustrating, but it's coming. I feel like we're headed in the right direction more today than I have at any point.

I don't disagree that we could look great in 2 years, but I do worry about the Leach trend of highs and lows. We shouldn't have to bottom out to reach his ideal. This offense is actually worse than Joe's at this point....and we're absolutely better than this.

[msu15]

I don't disagree that we could look great in 2 years, but I do worry about the Leach trend of highs and lows. We shouldn't have to bottom out to reach his ideal. This offense is actually worse than Joe's at this point....and we're absolutely better than this.

Is it really though? Moorhead's first 4 SEC games resulted in 7, 6, 23, and 6 points in a 1-3 record.

[ShotgunDawg]

Is it really though? Moorhead's first 4 SEC games resulted in 7, 6, 23, and 6 points in a 1-3 record.

True. Moorhead was also taking over a quality coached offense, whereas Leach did not take over a quality coached offense.

I think Leach could've gone with Shrader and used his running ability as a safety net of sorts for the offense, but that's not who Leach is and he's rather struggle mightily and get his offense installed as quickly as possible

[ShotgunDawg]

I don't disagree that we could look great in 2 years, but I do worry about the Leach trend of highs and lows. We shouldn't have to bottom out to reach his ideal. This offense is actually worse than Joe's at this point....and we're absolutely better than this.

I agree with this, but I'm not sure what the answer is.

Leach has a very unique system and we seem to be hell bent on diving into it 100% rather than dipping our toe in(Playing Shrader).

However, I think the worst is behind us. As with most new coaching staffs, you say "Better get them early". Well teams lucked out and got us early.

I think we're going to figure things out during this bye week, start Will, and begin taking major steps