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    Cigar Boys

    What are they saying? Leach better get his crap together.
    We did not play with effort on offense.
    We did not make adjustments on offense.
    We have little creativity on offense.
    We continue to regress.
    This has Moorhead written all over it. And we are paying the man 5 million. Those summer trips to Key west should have been spent coming up with some plan Bs and Cs.

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    Dear baby Jesus please do not let us lose Arnette.

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    Who gives a rip what they said.

    Stupid post. We're showing signs of getting better and this has happened everywhere Leach has been.

    Absolutely stupid post
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    we been talking about cigar boys for 20 years... are they still even alive. does jr have any power?

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    What are they saying? Leach better get his crap together. Who cares
    We did not play with effort on offense. Not true.
    We did not make adjustments on offense.The offense itself doesn't need adjustments. Just needs a QB that makes quick decisions (WILL)
    We have little creativity on offense. Again, the offense works. Creativity not needed
    We continue to regress. Not in the 4th quarter we didn't It's the best the offense has looked all year
    This has Moorhead written all over it.LOL Stupid comment And we are paying the man 5 millionCorrect and he's worth it. Those summer trips to Key west should have been spent coming up with some plan Bs and Cs.Plausible statement. He probably thought his offense was more simple than it really was. He probably didn't appreciate Minshew like he should have and now he's realizing that it takes a particular type of QB to pull it off. However, KJ was the starter at Stanford and Minshew couldn't win the job at East Carolina, so it's hard to fault him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Who gives a rip what they said.

    Stupid post. We're showing signs of getting better and this has happened everywhere Leach has been.

    Absolutely stupid post
    Signs of getting better? Gun you have never played the game of football at any decent level and yet you run your mouth about stuff you have no idea about. So the one time I want to voice my opinion, you can shut up and listen. Stop posting so damn much on here unless you actually really know what you are talking about. You were making fun of Will Rogers when the rest of us said to give him a chance. And you told Bucky that you knew more about Will than he did - that is laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    What are they saying? Leach better get his crap together. Who cares
    We did not play with effort on offense. Not true.
    We did not make adjustments on offense.The offense itself doesn't need adjustments. Just needs a QB that makes quick decisions (WILL)
    We have little creativity on offense. Again, the offense works. Creativity not needed
    We continue to regress. Not in the 4th quarter we didn't It's the best the offense has looked all year
    This has Moorhead written all over it.LOL Stupid comment And we are paying the man 5 millionCorrect and he's worth it. Those summer trips to Key west should have been spent coming up with some plan Bs and Cs.Plausible statement. He probably thought his offense was more simple than it really was. He probably didn't appreciate Minshew like he should have and now he's realizing that it takes a particular type of QB to pull it off. However, KJ was the starter at Stanford and Minshew couldn't win the job at East Carolina, so it's hard to fault him.
    You have started several threads with your expert opinions on the game. Please don't hijack my peasant thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg View Post
    we been talking about cigar boys for 20 years... are they still even alive. does jr have any power?
    It's fun to think about atleast LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
    Signs of getting better? Gun you have never played the game of football at any decent level and yet you run your mouth about stuff you have no idea about. So the one time I want to voice my opinion, you can shut up and listen. Stop posting so damn much on here unless you actually really know what you are talking about. You were making fun of Will Rogers when the rest of us said to give him a chance. And you told Bucky that you knew more about Will than he did - that is laughable.
    I just thought your post was incredibly dumb. People tell me mine are dumb all the time, so I reciprocate when possible.

    I'm just as frustrated as you are and other MSU are, but we showed signs of life in the 4th quarter and this has literally happened every place Leach has been.

    I'll make you a deal, if 4 games into 2022 we still look like this, I'll be right there with you, but, at this point, there are signs (small ones that not everyone notices) that this thing is getting turned around.

    Stick with it. Believe in the man that has won every where he's been and is one of the best offensive minds in history. Believe that what you saw from Will Rogers is real. See the signs because they are there.

    We've got maybe the best football coach we've ever had at MSU. Please don't try to sabotage the process of him building it the right way. I promise it's closer to getting right that getting worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
    You have started several threads with your expert opinions on the game. Please don't hijack my peasant thread.
    But I completely disagree with your opinion. I'm not going to sit here and watch someone that has no clue what they're looking at start crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
    Signs of getting better? Gun you have never played the game of football at any decent level and yet you run your mouth about stuff you have no idea about. So the one time I want to voice my opinion, you can shut up and listen. Stop posting so damn much on here unless you actually really know what you are talking about. You were making fun of Will Rogers when the rest of us said to give him a chance. And you told Bucky that you knew more about Will than he did - that is laughable.
    You're wrong. And we can't keep firing coaches after one year. He will get three years at least barring a scandal.

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    Imagine watching a program you had no emotional attachment to, that sucked on offense the year before, and thinking they should fire their new coach, who is one of the greatest offensive minds ever, after 4 games when he is installing a new system with new players.

    Imagine seeing that from 30K feet and thinking that the person calling for the firing was a sane human. Just think about that
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Imagine watching a program you had no emotional attachment to, that sucked on offense the year before, and thinking they should fire their new coach, who is one of the greatest offensive minds ever, after 4 games when he is installing a new system with new players.

    Imagine seeing that from 30K feet and thinking that the person calling for the firing was a sane human. Just think about that
    And having to do it in 2020 Covid. It's mind boggling how some of our fans are acting.
    Fire Ben Howland

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg View Post
    we been talking about cigar boys for 20 years... are they still even alive. does jr have any power?
    No Shit! At this point, our "cigar boys" are actually vaping Sherm, while sipping a hard seltzer and listening to some dude named Billy Eyelish**

    Also, this whole notion that big money donors could or should have a say in our athletic dept., re: big time decisions, is retarded as hell. Just because you have money doesn't mean you know a GD shit about college football, sports in general, the coaching landscape, big picture perspective, etc.

    We're all fans, after all...."fans with money" are still just fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    You're wrong. And we can't keep firing coaches after one year. He will get three years at least barring a scandal.
    Correct and he's good. Real good.

    This issue that people have and I've found this myself, is we expect linear development. Meaning, that all players and teams improve at the same rate and on the same schedule.

    That isn't reality. Every new job has different players, different circumstances, different competition, etc and it's not usually linear. Leach will get this right and I'm guessing it's going to happen quicker than you think
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    I just thought your post was incredibly dumb. People tell me mine are dumb all the time, so I reciprocate when possible.

    I'm just as frustrated as you are and other MSU are, but we showed signs of life in the 4th quarter and this has literally happened every place Leach has been.

    I'll make you a deal, if 4 games into 2022 we still look like this, I'll be right there with you, but, at this point, there are signs (small ones that not everyone notices) that this thing is getting turned around.

    Stick with it. Believe in the man that has won every where he's been and is one of the best offensive minds in history. Believe that what you saw from Will Rogers is real. See the signs because they are there.

    We've got maybe the best football coach we've ever had at MSU. Please don't try to sabotage the process of him building it the right way. I promise it's closer to getting right that getting worse.
    My post is not dumb. I believe in Leach as much as anybody but I'm seeing some very scary signs that tell me this is not going to be a match made in heaven. And he certainly has time to turn it around. But he is not getting the most out of what he has. And that is not good at MSU. Coaching the way he coached today will get him fired in 2022. Today was pitiful coaching. Starting with leaving KJ in for three quarters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msu15 View Post
    And having to do it in 2020 Covid. It's mind boggling how some of our fans are acting.
    I've come to the conclusion that some people just like stirring stuff up because surely they aren't that dumb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todd4State View Post
    You're wrong. And we can't keep firing coaches after one year. He will get three years at least barring a scandal.
    Todd what am I wrong about? I'm not saying to fire the guy. But he is doing the same stuff that got joe Moorhead fired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg View Post
    Who gives a rip what they said.

    Stupid post. We're showing signs of getting better and this has happened everywhere Leach has been.

    Absolutely stupid post
    I agree with this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
    My post is not dumb. I believe in Leach as much as anybody but I'm seeing some very scary signs that tell me this is not going to be a match made in heaven. And he certainly has time to turn it around. But he is not getting the most out of what he has. And that is not good at MSU. Coaching the way he coached today will get him fired in 2022. Today was pitiful coaching. Starting with leaving KJ in for three quarters.
    Your post was dumb because it made inaccurate points based off your emotion and not fact.

    Secondly, I agree if we still look like this in 2022 Leach may get fired, but we won't. We won't resemble this in two years.

    We'll have a 3 year starter at QB, experienced Leach type WRs, and an offensive line that knows what they're doing.

    Leach's offenses go as the QB goes. That' obvious. What's no so obvious but fairly likely is that he found that QB in the 4th quarter today.

    Leach even said after the game that he's never had a FR QB conduct a drive like Will did against that Caliber of competition.

    Just wait. I get it, it's frustrating, but it's coming. I feel like we're headed in the right direction more today than I have at any point.
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