How MSU can Easily Beat the 3-8

[Irondawg]

Shotgun - I put the same observation over on the other board yesterday. If you throw the ball out in front it’s at least 5 yards every time.

If we had the Outside receiver commit to block and the slot guy take out the LB then it’s even more.

Plus that’s a 95% completion pass so almost no chance you make a bad throw or get a int trying to squeeze it into an opening.

NFL teams run this against a prevent a lot to get 7-10 yards a pop until they get in the red zone

[Irondawg]

I’ll also say that while we did throw to our backs a lot we did it late and stared them down. Ok this then all needs to come out quick to them and allows them to turn and get going before engaging a defender.

If an SEC RB can’t make a single defender miss at least 1 out of 3-4 times then they aren’t an true SEC rb.

[MaroonFlounder]

The 3-8 isn't fearful. We just didn't attack it right.

In reality, it Leach's fault. He should've told KJ after the first series to 17 the play and just dump it to the RB immediately

And then after several dump-offs to the RB, as they start to react quickly to that, pump fake to the back and then someone possibly comes open on a deeper route, assuming there is time before pressure comes.

[Maroonthirteen]

We checked it down plenty. We threw underneath plenty. Arkansas just reacted fast and had us out numbered.

3 rushing. Dropped 3 lbs underneath (at or near the stick) and 5 DBs in between the top and over the top. Problem was when we checked it down or ran a draw. Arkansas had 2-3 guys near the ball in a second and we 5 linemen in the backfield and 4 receivers 20 yards up field not even turned around. Hell, on some occasions K.J. dumped it off before the WR running long even had his head turned.

As Leach said, it isn't the first time he has seen a 3-8 defense. However I'm just praying we didn't prepare for it and he has more in his play book to counter the 3-8. Because Running mesh and two go long.... ain't going to cut it.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

We checked it down plenty. We threw underneath plenty. Arkansas just reacted fast and had us out numbered.

3 rushing. Dropped 3 lbs underneath (at or near the stick) and 5 DBs in between the top and over the top. Problem was when we checked it down or ran a draw. Arkansas had 2-3 guys near the ball in a second and we 5 linemen in the backfield and 4 receivers 20 yards up field not even turned around. Hell, on some occasions K.J. dumped it off before the WR running long even had his head turned.

As Leach said, it isn't the first time he has seen a 3-8 defense. However I'm just praying we didn't prepare for it and he has more in his play book to counter the 3-8. Because Running mesh and two go long.... ain't going to cut it.

Bolded the key parts regarding RB passes out of the backfield. Look at the tape of Wyatts' breakdown:

The RB checkdown was ALWAYS after going through several reads. The receivers were downfield, the RB was usually flatfooted, the DB could run forward as soon as the ball was thrown as the RB waited with no momentum.

What we're saying is make the RB the main target: the WRs could block the CBs (Arky's safeties were way to far away to help), and the RB running full speed with the ball in front means he'd likely get the edge on the RB. It would be 2 blockers on 2 immediate defenders, and LB trailing, and a S that can't get there till late. It's 7-11 yards every time with big play potential. Completely different kind of RB pass.

And as for "running mesh and having 2 go long" not working... well, I definitely think it's hard to execute at that high of a level of again Wyatts' breakdown shows we left PLENTY of yards on the field do to timing issues and the QB/WR making the wrong reads. All of that will get better with reps

[ShotgunDawg]

And then after several dump-offs to the RB, as they start to react quickly to that, pump fake to the back and then someone possibly comes open on a deeper route, assuming there is time before pressure comes.

Well yeah. Once they react to covering the RB, then they're no longer in a 3-8 and it opens up the mid range passing game.

[ShotgunDawg]

We checked it down plenty. We threw underneath plenty. Arkansas just reacted fast and had us out numbered.

3 rushing. Dropped 3 lbs underneath (at or near the stick) and 5 DBs in between the top and over the top. Problem was when we checked it down or ran a draw. Arkansas had 2-3 guys near the ball in a second and we 5 linemen in the backfield and 4 receivers 20 yards up field not even turned around. Hell, on some occasions K.J. dumped it off before the WR running long even had his head turned.

As Leach said, it isn't the first time he has seen a 3-8 defense. However I'm just praying we didn't prepare for it and he has more in his play book to counter the 3-8. Because Running mesh and two go long.... ain't going to cut it.

You're not getting it.

Yes WE CHECKED DOWN. If the RB is #1 read, then there is 10 yards there untouched. They'd have to adjust after 8 plays or so

[Maroonthirteen]

You're not getting it.

Yes WE CHECKED DOWN. If the RB is #1 read, then there is 10 yards there untouched. They'd have to adjust after 8 plays or so

I'm talking what really happened vs your hypothetical.

Those arkansas LBs didn't get 10 yards beyond the LOS until they saw the QB Faked the handoff and the WR were running deep. They showed a few different looks and were right to the Los mostly and didn't bail until they saw fake and wr going.

I'm saying the same as y'all in a different way. Designed plays with rb as first option. Yep. Sounds good. But In my words, Leach better get deeper in the playbook this week and be teaching those plays this week.