So away from the freakouts and onto X's and O's... how do we beat Arky's gameplan?

[Quaoarsking]

Isn't this the same plan Washington ran that leach never figured a way to beat it?

Leach figured out how to beat it last night, we just didn't execute well enough.

[the_real_MSU_is_us]

Leach is going to have to adapt. And I know, Leach is who is his, and he hasn't shown much adapting in his career, but he's in the big leagues now. Every single defense in the country has the book on how to stop him. He's gotta throw more wrinkles in his offense. More play-action, read options, designed QB scrambles. Something he's never had to do. Because if he doesn't, we're going to have a lot of games like we had last night. And this experiment will be over before it starts.

I feel like this is where it's at. Instead of a delayed handoff, have him block the LB. double the NT to move him, double the DE to get him wide, and then bring one of those OL off to get to the 2nd level.

You'd have the DL split like the Red Sea, and 2 blockers ahead of KJ. He'd have a clear view of the field for potential hits and should be able to slide for a 7+ yard gain and take minimal punishment. Do this a couple times and they'll have to commit to running a 4th DL, which opens up a ton of space in the zone

[defiantdog]

Our QB is afraid of a hit and freaks out when his initial receiver is covered. Offense was fine..... probably should've thrown a different qb in to try and change the pace, but I think leach though K.J. would get it together.

[HoopsDawg]

Leach is going to have to adapt. And I know, Leach is who is his, and he hasn't shown much adapting in his career, but he's in the big leagues now. Every single defense in the country has the book on how to stop him. He's gotta throw more wrinkles in his offense. More play-action, read options, designed QB scrambles. Something he's never had to do. Because if he doesn't, we're going to have a lot of games like we had last night. And this experiment will be over before it starts.

Leach will not adapt. He is not going to change his offense.

[KOdawg1]

Leach will not adapt. He is not going to change his offense.

His stay in the SEC will not be long then. Bc most of the SEC defenses are closer to Washington than they are Oregon State.

[HoopsDawg]

His stay in the SEC will not be long then. Bc most of the SEC defenses are closer to Washington than they are Oregon State.

He hasn't changed in 20 years, he's not changing now. He just feels KJ should have taken the underneath stuff all night long. And honestly, he may be right.

[KOdawg1]

He hasn't changed in 20 years, he's not changing now.

I realize that.

[tcdog70]

Leach figured out how to beat it last night, we just didn't execute well enough.

Correct--4th turnovers beat us. heath giving up the first down.KJ not running for the 1st down twice. having our # 1 offensive threat get hurt. Walley muffing a punt. The only stupid call was on the 4th and 1 --if we are air raid then throw it. Plus KJ just had several shitty passes the one to Gardner was a killer .

[Cooterpoot]

Watching 3 yard passes is going to be boring as hell. When you have to use 15+ play drives, you're going to screw up eventually. That's part of defensive football fact.

[TrapGame]

Leach figured out how to beat it last night, we just didn't execute well enough.

Yep. Then we imploded. KJ can't get greedy. He throws into triple coverage in the end zone when Gardner was wide open on the 5.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

It's pretty damn simple to figure out, you dink and dunk all up and down the field for 3-6 yard passes and take the runs for 4-5 yards a pop when they give them to you. And when you are in position for points....YOU TAKE THE DAMN POINTS! Don't come away with nothing such as not kicking FGs when your D is playing lights out. You wear out the defense with tons of plays and take advantage of that in the late 3rd and 4th...if a defense is going to give you 4 to 6 yards a play playing zone...you take what they give you every play, pretty simple...

[Quaoarsking]

The good thing is that KJ will learn from this and we'll beat Kentucky next week by taking what the defense gives us.

[PendingTransaction]

The bad part is we figured out how to break it in the third quarter. You take what the defense gives you. If they are going to give you five yards underneath, then take it. The defense was having to crash down from 5-10 yards away every play and was eventually going to run out of gas. You take the five yard run. You take the short screens and slants. You let the defense wear themselves out and eventually you guys break one or you take a deep shot. Basically what Arkansas did to us. They burned us twice with the same screen play. KJ did it great one drive, then got greedy and kept trying to force the ball deeper into the zone.

Spot on!

[ShotgunDawg]

The good thing is that KJ will learn from this and we'll beat Kentucky next week by taking what the defense gives us.

We'll beat KY

Hell, we already know the defense we'll see

[dawgday166]

Our QB is afraid of a hit and freaks out when his initial receiver is covered. Offense was fine..... probably should've thrown a different qb in to try and change the pace, but I think leach though K.J. would get it together.

I saw this some too. KJ appears somewhat gun shy I think due to his injury from Stanford ... so the clock in his head is sped up at times. And of course he really doesn't want to run at all and when he does he goes down a little too quick.

Stares down his pre-snap read/receiver too much at times. Can't do that when playing against a zone. And doesn't want to come off him to 2nd option quick enough at times either.

Receivers a few times didn't run to open grass extremely well either.

Sometimes it's better to throw ball away and live to play another down. Or let your D go to work either one ... depending on game situation.

[gravedigger]

Leach figured out how to beat it last night, we just didn't execute well enough.

Shhhh.

I was hoping to hear more about Croom and Moorhead.

[Cooterpoot]

KJ was throwing behind receivers a lot. His accuracy was nowhere close to last week. That first TD throw was incredible. But he was off last night. Still, can't play soft. He said it last week, In the SEC, It just Means More. That "more" is putting your shoulder down and getting a first down late in the game. He's a big guy, shouldn't be a problem for him.

[KOdawg1]

We'll beat KY

Hell, we already know the defense we'll see

We knew what defense we were going to see last night. Everyone knew Arky was going to pull out the zone. Leach even said so in his presser. Just executed poorly against it. Will we execute better next week? Possibly, but we knew the zone was coming last night and we couldn't do anything with it.

[maroonmania]

He hasn't changed in 20 years, he's not changing now. He just feels KJ should have taken the underneath stuff all night long. And honestly, he may be right.

I keep seeing this on multiple MSU forums but we set a completions record last night averaging about 5 yards per catch. Not sure how much more we could have 'taken the underneath stuff'. We attempted very, very few passes down the field last night. Even the pick 6 was not a very long pass just way off target.

[Charlie_Sheen420]

I keep seeing this on multiple MSU forums but we set a completions record last night averaging about 5 yards per catch. Not sure how much more we could have 'taken the underneath stuff'. We attempted very, very few passes down the field last night. Even the pick 6 was not a very long pass just way off target.

No one is saying it wasn't working, as we were moving the ball down the field with it, the problem was the horrible turnovers and then not taking the points when they were available in FGs. 4 turnovers plus going for it twice on 4th down getting no points is what killed them last night. We got a turnover in their territory and came back with nothing to show for it....