Crazy Good Article For Football Nerds

[ShotgunDawg]

The issue many SEC team will have is that they may have to play a different defensive scheme against us than they do against any other team on their schedule

How do they master that in a week?

[YoungB]

That is a good read. Same guy wrote an article last year on Washington stopping Leach consistently.

https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/6...t-the-air-raid

basically, play zone, have better talent to pressure with only 3 rushers

If LSU can't get home consistently with 4, I don't know others will get home with 3, but maybe its a coverage sack issue.

I think we expect him to be pragmatic and run Hill with a 4/5 man box. Will he?

B

[YoungB]

I mean, we are running on this, right?

[SheltonChoked]

I mean, we are running on this, right?

I would hope our OL would be able to get to those LB, and have Hill running free for 15 yards before the safety can get down.

Seems ripe for that shovel pass or a draw as well as the several running plays.

[YoungB]

I would hope our OL would be able to get to those LB, and have Hill running free for 15 yards before the safety can get down.

Seems ripe for that shovel pass or a draw as well as the several running plays.

I suspect UW gets away with it due to a talent disparity. I don't think a SEC Defense would drop 8 against our O-line and RBs on a consistent basis. I'm sure it will be thrown in occasionally.

[Delmar]

That is a good read. Same guy wrote an article last year on Washington stopping Leach consistently.

https://blogs.usafootball.com/blog/6...t-the-air-raid

basically, play zone, have better talent to pressure with only 3 rushers

If LSU can't get home consistently with 4, I don't know others will get home with 3, but maybe its a coverage sack issue.

I think we expect him to be pragmatic and run Hill with a 4/5 man box. Will he?

B

Well if you can control the run game and get pressure on the quarterback with just rushing 3, then there aren?t a lot of offenses in the world that work.

[Commercecomet24]

Well if you can control the run game and get pressure on the quarterback with just rushing 3, then there aren?t a lot of offenses in the world that work.

I was thinking the same thing. If you control the los with 3 you're good against anyone.

[smootness]

Everyone acts like Washington 'figured it out,' when they've been playing Leach since 2012. If it was as easy as rushing 3 and dropping 8, everyone else would have 'figured it out' and been stopping it long before now.

Washington was simply better than Washington State, the same way Bama has been simply better than us. What did Bama do to 'figure us out' and shut us down? They beat us in the trenches and at the second level and in the secondary. That's a pretty good way to do it.

Certain schemes are better than others, but if your linemen can block, your WRs can find space, and your QB can deliver it on target and on time, you'll have success against any scheme. Pretending 'figuring out' the scheme of a guy who's been coaching and using the exact same scheme for more than 20 years is some kind of accomplishment is hilarious. Everyone knows Leach's scheme and knows the principles of how you might stop it. But you still have to go do it. Just like if LSU had gotten constant pressure and their DBs had draped our WRs, they would have beaten us.

[Commercecomet24]

Everyone acts like Washington 'figured it out,' when they've been playing Leach since 2012. If it was as easy as rushing 3 and dropping 8, everyone else would have 'figured it out' and been stopping it long before now.

Washington was simply better than Washington State, the same way Bama has been simply better than us. What did Bama do to 'figure us out' and shut us down? They beat us in the trenches and at the second level and in the secondary. That's a pretty good way to do it.

Certain schemes are better than others, but if your linemen can block, your WRs can find space, and your QB can deliver it on target and on time, you'll have success against any scheme. Pretending 'figuring out' the scheme of a guy who's been coaching and using the exact same scheme for more than 20 years is some kind of accomplishment is hilarious. Everyone knows Leach's scheme and knows the principles of how you might stop it. But you still have to go do it. Just like if LSU had gotten constant pressure and their DBs had draped our WRs, they would have beaten us.

Rep given!

[BeardoMSU]

Everyone acts like Washington 'figured it out,' when they've been playing Leach since 2012. If it was as easy as rushing 3 and dropping 8, everyone else would have 'figured it out' and been stopping it long before now.

Washington was simply better than Washington State, the same way Bama has been simply better than us. What did Bama do to 'figure us out' and shut us down? They beat us in the trenches and at the second level and in the secondary. That's a pretty good way to do it.

Certain schemes are better than others, but if your linemen can block, your WRs can find space, and your QB can deliver it on target and on time, you'll have success against any scheme. Pretending 'figuring out' the scheme of a guy who's been coaching and using the exact same scheme for more than 20 years is some kind of accomplishment is hilarious. Everyone knows Leach's scheme and knows the principles of how you might stop it. But you still have to go do it. Just like if LSU had gotten constant pressure and their DBs had draped our WRs, they would have beaten us.

/slow clap

[SheltonChoked]

Everyone acts like Washington 'figured it out,' when they've been playing Leach since 2012. If it was as easy as rushing 3 and dropping 8, everyone else would have 'figured it out' and been stopping it long before now.

Washington was simply better than Washington State, the same way Bama has been simply better than us. What did Bama do to 'figure us out' and shut us down? They beat us in the trenches and at the second level and in the secondary. That's a pretty good way to do it.

Certain schemes are better than others, but if your linemen can block, your WRs can find space, and your QB can deliver it on target and on time, you'll have success against any scheme. Pretending 'figuring out' the scheme of a guy who's been coaching and using the exact same scheme for more than 20 years is some kind of accomplishment is hilarious. Everyone knows Leach's scheme and knows the principles of how you might stop it. But you still have to go do it. Just like if LSU had gotten constant pressure and their DBs had draped our WRs, they would have beaten us.

Like the link says, the thing that should scare SEC Defensive coordinators is this. LSU did get pressure. They "hurried" 40 passes.

KJ passed for 600 yards with an LSU defender affecting his pass, 66% of the time....

[Todd4State]

Everyone acts like Washington 'figured it out,' when they've been playing Leach since 2012. If it was as easy as rushing 3 and dropping 8, everyone else would have 'figured it out' and been stopping it long before now.

Washington was simply better than Washington State, the same way Bama has been simply better than us. What did Bama do to 'figure us out' and shut us down? They beat us in the trenches and at the second level and in the secondary. That's a pretty good way to do it.

Certain schemes are better than others, but if your linemen can block, your WRs can find space, and your QB can deliver it on target and on time, you'll have success against any scheme. Pretending 'figuring out' the scheme of a guy who's been coaching and using the exact same scheme for more than 20 years is some kind of accomplishment is hilarious. Everyone knows Leach's scheme and knows the principles of how you might stop it. But you still have to go do it. Just like if LSU had gotten constant pressure and their DBs had draped our WRs, they would have beaten us.

I don't always agree with your posts. But I agree with this one.

Who stole your password?**

[Jack Lambert]

How does the zone defense stop K Hill?

[SheltonChoked]

How does the zone defense stop K Hill?

Exactly... In this video, WSU tries to run and cannot vs the UW front.

And in the above link, this is a key takeaway..

Only a week prior to the 2018 Apple Cup, Minshew threw for 7 touchdowns against the Arizona Wildcats. ?Zona also rushed 3 guys a lot but a) couldn?t get pressure and b) dropped too shallow (often because they were dropping defensive linemen).

If we start seeing 3 man fronts, and lots of zone, we need our line to be able to get to the 2nd level, and our RB's to take advantage.

[Jack Lambert]

Exactly... In this video, WSU tries to run and cannot vs the UW front.

And in the above link, this is a key takeaway..



If we start seeing 3 man fronts, and lots of zone, we need our line to be able to get to the 2nd level, and our RB's to take advantage.

Sorry but Arkansas isn't that Washington team and that WSU running back wasn't K Hill.

[SheltonChoked]

Sorry but Arkansas isn't that Washington team and that WSU running back wasn't K Hill.

I agree. And that is my point. Arizona tried to rush 3 vs Leach and got TORCHED.

[smootness]

Let's talk some more about this idea that Washington figured Leach out, as though it's something special. So in 2016, Washington St. scored 17 points, put up 334 yards of total offense, and threw for 269 yards against Washington. Not great numbers. But Washington played 4 other ranked teams that year, and here's how those teams fared:

#7 Stanford - 6 points, 213 yards of offense, 184 yards passing
#17 Utah - 24 points, 376 yards of offense, 163 yards passing
#9 Colorado - 10 points, 163 yards of offense, 81 yards passing (Pac-12 Champ Game, the game following WSU)
#1 Bama - 24 points, 326 yards of offense, 57 yards passing (CFP Semifinal)


2017:
Washington State - 14 points, 345 yards of offense, 369 yards passing

Washington played a weak schedule that year, but out of their 8 other conference games, 5 opponents scored fewer than 14, 6 put up fewer than 345 yards of offense, and 8 put up fewer than 369 yards passing.


2018:
Washington State - 15 points, 237 yards of offense, 152 yards passing (This was no doubt Washington's most impressive performance defensively against a very good WSU team)

#9 Auburn - 21 points, 420 yards of offense, 273 yards passing
#20 BYU - 7 points, 194 yards of offense, 160 yards passing
#17 Oregon - 30 points, 379 yards of offense, 202 yards passing
#17 Utah - 3 points, 188 yards of offense, 137 yards passing (Pac-12 Champ Game, the game following WSU)
#5 Ohio St - 28 points, 364 yards of offense, 251 yards passing


2019:
Washington State - 13 points, 339 yards of offense, 308 yards passing

#21 USC - 14 points, 375 yards of offense, 163 yards passing
#12 Oregon - 35 points, 468 yards of offense, 280 yards passing
#9 Utah - 33 points, 399 yards of offense, 284 yards passing
#18 Boise St - 7 points, 266 yards of offense, 188 yards passing (Bowl game, the game following WSU)


Let's not pretend this is some issue against Washington unique to WSU. They are consistently comparable to other ranked teams against Washington while typically being much less talented than those other ranked teams as well. So don't compare WSU's games against Washington to WSU's other games. Compare them to Washington's other games, and they're no outlier. In fact, usually Washington performs better in the following game, even against ranked teams, which seems to suggest weather plays a factor as well.

Washington has fielded an elite defense recently. They don't just shut down WSU. They shut down everybody.

[ShotgunDawg]

How does the zone defense stop K Hill?

Well this kind of brings to my next point.

Pelini has faced Leach twice before and the offense hasn’t changed. So why did Pelini choose to do this?

[Commercecomet24]

Well this kind of brings to my next point.

Pelini has faced Leach twice before and the offense hasn’t changed. So why did Pelini choose to do this?

He didn't respect our receivers and thought they sucked. That's exactly what happened pure arrogance from dbu.

[basedog]

He didn't respect our receivers and thought they sucked. That's exactly what happened pure arrogance from dbu.

+1
Exactly.