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Originally Posted by
Johnson85
I would feel a lot better about that if we had an offense that won't just jam it down people's throat. Again, I'm glad we have Leach and the air raid, but my understanding is that Leach won't just run it down people's throat and if the numbers dictate passing, he's going to pass.
So... you want us to run even when we can't block everyone, instead of pass it vs 1 on 1s with no S help overtop?
Ramming it down people's throats is SUPER satisfying to watch when it works, but it simply doesn't work often. That's why Bama, Clemson, OSU, LSU etc got away from 7 men lines and fullbacks and now alternate run-pass based on which the D gives them
If we can't pass 4 wide with Costello vs 5 DBs, there's little odds we can run 5 OL and Hill vs 6 man boxes because if they're so talented they can lock us up 1 on 1 then they're almost certainly so talented up front we can't blow them off the ball either.
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Originally Posted by
Coach34
The match-up is our O vs their D- we will score some points for sure.
Their O vs our D- their OL will handle our DL and they will rape our Secondary.
We may cover the 17 for sure because of all their new faces. But I'll be beyond shocked if we win this game
I expect us to bring a shit ton of pressure. We will certainly give up a lot of points doing that with a young secondary but hopefully we can get a few turnovers to keep us in the game. Survive early and if we hang around and prove to ourselves that we can score points on these cats it could get interesting late. Tall task for sure.
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Originally Posted by
Ari Gold
Again LSU is 3 years out from losing to us 37-7 and home loss to Troy.
They wanted O ass gone.
That team was arguably more talented than the team they have this year
They have lost their DC Aranda and QB coach ( basically their OC ) Brady
And lost over 3/4 of their starting line up on both defense and offense
The 2019 LSU team could be considered the best team this decade but
LSU isn’t Bama or Clemson.. they aren’t even close.. one year doesn’t make you a dynasty
Let’s see what happens.. give me that 17.5 all day and what the hell give me some of that ML
Yes our Def is. A HUGE question mark .. but they lost damn near their starting 11and prob a couple of 2 deeps on D as well
outside of WR ( maybe) They have Terrance Marshall retuning, we check every box on offense vs LSU
Qb check
Rb Check
OL check
It's a push at rb but they're only as good as their OL. We need to bring everything we have at Brennan. He'll make mistakes
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Originally Posted by
SmokeyDawg
It's a push at rb but they're only as good as their OL. We need to bring everything we have at Brennan. He'll make mistakes
How do you figure a push at RB?
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Originally Posted by
Jarius
I expect us to bring a shit ton of pressure. We will certainly give up a lot of points doing that with a young secondary but hopefully we can get a few turnovers to keep us in the game. Survive early and if we hang around and prove to ourselves that we can score points on these cats it could get interesting late. Tall task for sure.
I'm in this boat. We're giving up points but we put pressure on the qb and he will make mistakes. And there is no other option for them if Brennan gets flustered
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Originally Posted by
SmokeyDawg
It's a push at rb but they're only as good as their OL. We need to bring everything we have at Brennan. He'll make mistakes
It’s not a push at RB .. that’s ridiculous ..
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Originally Posted by
Cowbell
How do you figure a push at RB?
They have talent and depth at rb. Some really good guys but like I said all of that really rests on their OL. Our run blitzes will get to them at times but they're bound to break one or more. We have talent with a little more experience with Kylin and a scheme to get our guys in space.
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Originally Posted by
Ari Gold
It?s not a push at RB .. that?s ridiculous ..
As a group I think it's pretty close. They won't use theirs like us though. I don't know what their OL will look like and I think that will dictate their production on the ground. Their rb group will have about the same production as ours imo. Can't deny they have talent and depth there though.
ETA: I would take our OL over theirs
Last edited by SmokeyDawg; 09-23-2020 at 11:24 PM.
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Originally Posted by
SmokeyDawg
They have talent and depth at rb. Some really good guys but like I said all of that really rests on their OL. Our run blitzes will get to them at times but they're bound to break one or more. We have talent with a little more experience with Kylin and a scheme to get our guys in space.
We have the better backfield this year and the better line.
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Originally Posted by
the_real_MSU_is_us
So... you want us to run even when we can't block everyone, instead of pass it vs 1 on 1s with no S help overtop?
Ramming it down people's throats is SUPER satisfying to watch when it works, but it simply doesn't work often. That's why Bama, Clemson, OSU, LSU etc got away from 7 men lines and fullbacks and now alternate run-pass based on which the D gives them
If we can't pass 4 wide with Costello vs 5 DBs, there's little odds we can run 5 OL and Hill vs 6 man boxes because if they're so talented they can lock us up 1 on 1 then they're almost certainly so talented up front we can't blow them off the ball either.
We haven't been able to consistently win 1 on 1s without help since Bear left. We have been able to run on people despite them daring us to pass. We have been shut down by elite defenses, but we've still had success running against average defenses. I think LSU is going to be average, certainly to start the year, and I think we could destroy them with Shrader running Dan's offense and I'd feel a lot better about this game if that's what we were going to do, because that's a lot easier to do with average wide receivers than passing all over them.
Again, still glad we have Leach and think he's going to be successful, but right now our offense if above average everywhere but WR, where we hope we're going to be at least average, and a passing offense is not the way to take advantage of that.
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Originally Posted by
Johnson85
We haven't been able to consistently win 1 on 1s without help since Bear left. We have been able to run on people despite them daring us to pass. We have been shut down by elite defenses, but we've still had success running against average defenses. I think LSU is going to be average, certainly to start the year, and I think we could destroy them with Shrader running Dan's offense and I'd feel a lot better about this game if that's what we were going to do, because that's a lot easier to do with average wide receivers than passing all over them.
Again, still glad we have Leach and think he's going to be successful, but right now our offense if above average everywhere but WR, where we hope we're going to be at least average, and a passing offense is not the way to take advantage of that.
With Shrader passing and our inexperienced WR, they would man us up and stuff the box. We are going to have a balanced attack and we are going to get Kylin in space which is much more dangerous.
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Originally Posted by
Johnson85
We haven't been able to consistently win 1 on 1s without help since Bear left. We have been able to run on people despite them daring us to pass. We have been shut down by elite defenses, but we've still had success running against average defenses. I think LSU is going to be average, certainly to start the year, and I think we could destroy them with Shrader running Dan's offense and I'd feel a lot better about this game if that's what we were going to do, because that's a lot easier to do with average wide receivers than passing all over them.
Again, still glad we have Leach and think he's going to be successful, but right now our offense if above average everywhere but WR, where we hope we're going to be at least average, and a passing offense is not the way to take advantage of that.
You never watched a Mike Leach offense before.
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Leach at WSU put one WR in the first 4 rounds of the draft. Talent at WR is not a need for his offense to click. This is his most talented group he's had to work with as a head coach outside of Crabtree group maybe. But this one has the most depth for sure. And it's only gonna go up being in the SEC.
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Originally Posted by
dantheman4248
Leach at WSU put one WR in the first 4 rounds of the draft. Talent at WR is not a need for his offense to click. This is his most talented group he's had to work with as a head coach outside of Crabtree group maybe. But this one has the most depth for sure. And it's only gonna go up being in the SEC.
I think this will be his most athletic group (potentially ignoring Crabtree's group). I'm hoping our WR problem was coaching and scheme and that Leach has fixed it with just an abbreviated off season (or maybe it's not abbreviated at this point? NOt sure how much practice time we've gotten compared to having a spring and normal fall workouts). But I am trying to keep realistic expectations.
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Originally Posted by
Johnson85
We haven't been able to consistently win 1 on 1s without help since Bear left. We have been able to run on people despite them daring us to pass. We have been shut down by elite defenses, but we've still had success running against average defenses. I think LSU is going to be average, certainly to start the year, and I think we could destroy them with Shrader running Dan's offense and I'd feel a lot better about this game if that's what we were going to do, because that's a lot easier to do with average wide receivers than passing all over them.
Again, still glad we have Leach and think he's going to be successful, but right now our offense if above average everywhere but WR, where we hope we're going to be at least average, and a passing offense is not the way to take advantage of that.
Costello is way better than Shrader. Leach's offense can put a defense on its heels quick. Look at the recruiting averages for WSU and AU in 2013. Then watch that game.
Originally Posted by
dantheman4248
Leach at WSU put one WR in the first 4 rounds of the draft. Talent at WR is not a need for his offense to click. This is his most talented group he's had to work with as a head coach outside of Crabtree group maybe. But this one has the most depth for sure. And it's only gonna go up being in the SEC.
This.
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Originally Posted by
FISHDAWG
He also tweeted that this is the best conditioned team he has ever been on ... or either someone tweeted his quote
This almost seems impossible given the idea we were horribly conditioned to begin with. Maybe that wasnt the problem with last years team.
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Originally Posted by
Johnson85
I think this will be his most athletic group (potentially ignoring Crabtree's group). I'm hoping our WR problem was coaching and scheme and that Leach has fixed it with just an abbreviated off season (or maybe it's not abbreviated at this point? NOt sure how much practice time we've gotten compared to having a spring and normal fall workouts). But I am trying to keep realistic expectations.
F that. Kickoff is about 50 hours away. Full hype and unrealistic expectations are in full tilt. We're gonna win by double digits and score 50+. College football runs on hope. Dawgs by 90.
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Originally Posted by
Johnson85
We haven't been able to consistently win 1 on 1s without help since Bear left. We have been able to run on people despite them daring us to pass. We have been shut down by elite defenses, but we've still had success running against average defenses. I think LSU is going to be average, certainly to start the year, and I think we could destroy them with Shrader running Dan's offense and I'd feel a lot better about this game if that's what we were going to do, because that's a lot easier to do with average wide receivers than passing all over them.
Again, still glad we have Leach and think he's going to be successful, but right now our offense if above average everywhere but WR, where we hope we're going to be at least average, and a passing offense is not the way to take advantage of that.
You are going to be extremely happy with our wide receiver play.
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Originally Posted by
gravedigger
This almost seems impossible given the idea we were horribly conditioned to begin with. Maybe that wasnt the problem with last years team.
Couple things. He played at Stanford in the PAC. Conditioning (like weightlifting) is something you can ramp back up quickly (read this as a few months rather than taking years to build) when you had it before. A lot of these kids had it before. Country stamina beats west coast stamina.
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Originally Posted by
dantheman4248
F that. Kickoff is about 50 hours away. Full hype and unrealistic expectations are in full tilt. We're gonna win by double digits and score 50+. College football runs on hope. Dawgs by 90.
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