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    Who would you consider our best two deep threats at WR?

    I went back and watched some of the UK and SC games to see what adjustments teams made coming out of the locker room to slow us down in the second half. One thing I noticed is that both teams brought their defense closer to the line of scrimmage and played to stop the short routes and east/west run game with Lewis and Dak.

    I have been saying for a while, that even if we are just overthrowing someone deep every couple of series, it would be good to make the defense respect the deep ball. We didn't do that in either of the last two games. Almost zero passes beyond 10-15 yards.

    In my opinion we have got to start stretching the defense especially in the second half to keep them from bringing everyone in and taking away our short passing game (extended running game).

    So that being said...A) Do you agree/disagree? B) Who would you consider our top two deep threats?

    I would say DeRunnya and Robert Johnson would be my most likely candidates at sending on a few fly patterns every game.

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    TR is a threat to get sacked deep in our own territory...

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    Tubby Lewis but Prescott apparently cannot see him running wide ass open. Dak does some things well but damn he can't seem to find that post route.

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    #6 running down the crease

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goat Holder View Post
    Tubby Lewis but Prescott apparently cannot see him running wide ass open. Dak does some things well but damn he can't seem to find that post route.
    I don't think we should be sending Tubby deep much. He is too short. One advantage of throwing the deep ball is to have your tallest WR's out there so they can out jump the shorter DB's in one on one coverage. Tubby can get separation, but he isn't very tall. I like him on the short stuff over the middle where he can make guys miss. I think he has some big plays in the passing game this year for TD's if some of our younger WR's were good down field blockers. That is one area that we miss guys like Chris Smith and Arceto. De'Runnya seems to be a pretty good blocker, and when Joe morrow can get away with a hold he's pretty good out there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcdog70 View Post
    #6 running down the crease
    Yea that's a good one. Get him matched up with a LB and throw it deep.

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    Line up Bear Wilson and Brandon Holloway on the same side and run 20 different deep routes with those two. There's no way you can't find holes with Wilson's size and Holloway's speed. Mix in Lewis running slants or crossing patterns.

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    I think from what I've seen is we should use the play everybody seems to nail us with. Roll Dak out and throw to Bear, Rojo, or Mojo deep. The reason I say roll out, is because it seems if he's in the pocket, there's a 60% chance he's going to run it. If he rolls out, that might look like a run to freeze the secondary and allow one of our guys to break open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CadaverDawg View Post
    I went back and watched some of the UK and SC games to see what adjustments teams made coming out of the locker room to slow us down in the second half. One thing I noticed is that both teams brought their defense closer to the line of scrimmage and played to stop the short routes and east/west run game with Lewis and Dak.

    I have been saying for a while, that even if we are just overthrowing someone deep every couple of series, it would be good to make the defense respect the deep ball. We didn't do that in either of the last two games. Almost zero passes beyond 10-15 yards.

    In my opinion we have got to start stretching the defense especially in the second half to keep them from bringing everyone in and taking away our short passing game (extended running game).

    So that being said...A) Do you agree/disagree? B) Who would you consider our top two deep threats?

    I would say DeRunnya and Robert Johnson would be my most likely candidates at sending on a few fly patterns every game.
    I is hard to tell because we do not run deep patterns. I would like to see at least one and some time two go deep every five, first and second downs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percho View Post
    I is hard to tell because we do not run deep patterns. I would like to see at least one and some time two go deep every five, first and second downs.
    Yea. Back in the Sherrill days when we were run up the middle 3 times then punt...every 3 or 4 series, he would call a play action fly pattern where our QB would just let one go deep down the sidelines. Occasionally it was caught, but many times it was simply a deep ball to keep the safeties honest. We need to be doing that for the same reasons. Even if you throw it 15 yards over the receiver's head, just the threat of the deep ball accomplishes what you need it to.

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    Wayne Madkin ALWAYS overthrew this exact pass by 15 yards during the first half. I used to cuss this about Madkin every game. Don't run the play if you have zero intentions of completing it. Try to complete the pass. I'm still waiting on Bear Wilson bombs after he got one vs LSU.

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    1) DeRunnya Wilson
    2) Robert Johnson

    I have no idea why we don't have a play action where we just chunk it to one of them. They are both fast and big/physical. We should do it once a game if only for the threat of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawg61 View Post
    Line up Bear Wilson and Brandon Holloway on the same side and run 20 different deep routes with those two. There's no way you can't find holes with Wilson's size and Holloway's speed. Mix in Lewis running slants or crossing patterns.
    I like this. Tell Bear, "I'm about to put the ball in the air, you go get it!"

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    Tubby & Bear. Tubby has elite speed and is good at getting open. Plus he and Dak seem to have that special connection some QBs & WRs have. Bear has solid speed and crazy size. He just needs to learn to be more physical going for the ball. He could be every bit as good as the big FSU WRs that Winston loves to throw it up for.

    RoJo is more of a possession WR. But that's not a knock, because that's an important role in our offense. He's physical, runs good routes, and gets himself open. Plus he may be the best WR on the team other than Tubby in terms of RAC yards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CadaverDawg View Post
    I went back and watched some of the UK and SC games to see what adjustments teams made coming out of the locker room to slow us down in the second half. One thing I noticed is that both teams brought their defense closer to the line of scrimmage and played to stop the short routes and east/west run game with Lewis and Dak.

    I have been saying for a while, that even if we are just overthrowing someone deep every couple of series, it would be good to make the defense respect the deep ball. We didn't do that in either of the last two games. Almost zero passes beyond 10-15 yards.

    In my opinion we have got to start stretching the defense especially in the second half to keep them from bringing everyone in and taking away our short passing game (extended running game).

    So that being said...A) Do you agree/disagree? B) Who would you consider our top two deep threats?

    I would say DeRunnya and Robert Johnson would be my most likely candidates at sending on a few fly patterns every game.
    First TD against Kentucky was a long pass to Malcolm Johnson

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    Quote Originally Posted by msstate7 View Post
    First TD against Kentucky was a long pass to Malcolm Johnson
    Come on, mane....you know that was a busted play. I'm talking about plays that are designed to be deep passes

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    I think De'Runnya is our only legit deep threat at this point. Hopeful Christy or Hammond develop into that in the future...

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    Quote Originally Posted by engie View Post
    I think De'Runnya is our only legit deep threat at this point. Hopeful Christy or Hammond develop into that in the future...
    My concern is that if a freshman WR can't break into this lineup - that they really aren't that good.

    Mullen has proven that he is willing to burn redshirts this season. If they can't get on the field over the Wr's in front of them, its safe to say that they aren't playmakers, which is disappointing because I thought Christy was a playmaker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog View Post
    My concern is that if a freshman WR can't break into this lineup - that they really aren't that good.

    Mullen has proven that he is willing to burn redshirts this season. If they can't get on the field over the Wr's in front of them, its safe to say that they aren't playmakers, which is disappointing because I thought Christy was a playmaker.
    Think christy is/was hurt

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    Quote Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog View Post
    My concern is that if a freshman WR can't break into this lineup - that they really aren't that good.

    Mullen has proven that he is willing to burn redshirts this season. If they can't get on the field over the Wr's in front of them, its safe to say that they aren't playmakers, which is disappointing because I thought Christy was a playmaker.
    Since when have we put the best players at each position on the field? Typically I would agree with you, but after season after season of seeing the better player at a certain position sitting on the bench, I don't read too much into it anymore.

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