Luginbill: Leach will have to run the ball more

[TrapGame]

Luginbill on OOB this am said with the kind of defensive talent Leach will face in the SEC he'll have to adjust his offense which includes running the ball more. He said the front seven of LSU, Bama and AU will eat his offense alive if he tries to throw it 50 times.

Thoughts?

[parabrave]

Well that was understood since day one. He needs to use his RBs in the passing game more, ala Sean Payton.

[FISHDAWG]

I think Luginbill is right ... I also think Leach already knows this

[TrapGame]

I think Luginbill is right ... I also think Leach already knows this

Exactly!

Leach is one smart sum bitch. And if he does have an adjustment here or there already he ain't shouting it from the rooftops.

[gravedigger]

Luginbill on OOB this am said with the kind of defensive talent Leach will face in the SEC he'll have to adjust his offense which includes running the ball more. He said the front seven of LSU, Bama and AU will eat his offense alive if he tries to throw it 50 times.

Thoughts?

They bring the house and it's going to cost them. He will run the ball as long as there are only 5 in the box. When they bring up the 6th man, he will throw more.

[TUSK]

They bring the house and it's going to cost them. He will run the ball as long as there are only 5 in the box. When they bring up the 6th man, he will throw more.

Wait a minute... You tellin' me that an offensive minded coach will run the ball when he has a numbers advantage on the LOS.... and Pass, otherwise?

[gravedigger]

Wait a minute... You tellin' me that an offensive minded coach will run the ball when he has a numbers advantage on the LOS.... and Pass, otherwise?

sup my brother?

[Captain Falcon]

I guess I'd like to know what his definition of "more" is. Washington State threw the ball on 72% of their plays last year, and that's not factoring in sacks, so that number is really closer to 75-80%. We could throw the ball 70% of the time this year and still technically have run the ball more. Now I do think a back like Kylin will get slightly more carries than a typical Leach RB, but it's not going to be a drastic difference from what Leach has always done.

I also feel that there's a misconception with the Air Raid that it's just a bunch of deep heaves down the field. That's not really the case at all, Leach works in a lot of short passes that might as well be long hand-offs. Max Borghi only had 127 carries last year but he had 86 dang receptions. So in reality he only had 3-4 fewer touches per game than what Kylin had last year. Kylin will be very much be involved in things, it's just going to look different from how we used him last year.

[TrapGame]

I guess I'd like to know what his definition of "more" is. Washington State threw the ball on 72% of their plays last year, and that's not factoring in sacks, so that number is really closer to 75-80%. We could throw the ball 70% of the time this year and still technically have run the ball more. Now I do think a back like Kylin will get slightly more carries than a typical Leach RB, but it's not going to be a drastic difference from what Leach has always done.

I also feel that there's a misconception with the Air Raid that it's just a bunch of deep heaves down the field. That's not really the case at all, Leach works in a lot of short passes that might as well be long hand-offs. Max Borghi only had 127 carries last year but he had 86 dang receptions. So in reality he only had 3-4 fewer touches per game than what Kylin had last year. Kylin will be very much be involved in things, it's just going to look different from how we used him last year.

Yep, Matt Wyatt's video on Leach's offense showed how he works the gaps in the middle of the field. When the defense adjusts to cover those gaps he hits open targets downfield. We had another thread a while back about Leach running the ball more. Several people took as though he was going to pound it old school. No, just Leach running the ball 5 more times than usual a game could have a big impact. He certainly isn't going to waste Kylin Hill.

[NWADAWG]

Yep, Matt Wyatt's video on Leach's offense showed how he works the gaps in the middle of the field. When the defense adjusts to cover those gaps he hits open targets downfield. We had another thread a while back about Leach running the ball more. Several people took as though he was going to pound it old school. No, just Leach running the ball 5 more times than usual a game could have a big impact. He certainly isn't going to waste Kylin Hill.

Leach will run the ball 20 times in a row if that is what the D keeps giving him. He did it at TTech. I would have a hard time finding the sequence again but in one game he handed the ball off every play for 2 consecutive possessions and scored TDs on both possessions. The next series the D moved defenders into the box and he started throwing again. He actually makes adjustments to help his offense succeed.

[TrapGame]

Leach will run the ball 20 times in a row if that is what the D keeps giving him. He did it at TTech. I would have a hard time finding the sequence again but in one game he handed the ball off every play for 2 consecutive possessions and scored TDs on both possessions. The next series the D moved defenders into the box and he started throwing again. He actually makes adjustments to help his offense succeed.

And I believe you. But, that goes against what other posters have stated about Leach's system. I fully expect him to run Kylin Hill more than he has run any other RB in his coaching career. Why? Because he's never had a RB like Hill before. He's one of the deadliest weapons in the arsenal.

[SheltonChoked]

Luginbill on OOB this am said with the kind of defensive talent Leach will face in the SEC he'll have to adjust his offense which includes running the ball more. He said the front seven of LSU, Bama and AU will eat his offense alive if he tries to throw it 50 times.

Thoughts?

While Leach is not a running coach, he runs the ball.

Actual stats for runs per game for Leach:
TTU
2000 25.4 rushes per game (starting RB had 127 carries)
2001 23.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 142 carries)
2002 27.5 rushes per game (starting RB had 153 carries)
2003 23.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 124 carries)
2004 24.4 rushes per game (starting RB had 162 carries)
2005 25.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 148 carries)
2006 16.9 rushes per game (starting RB had 152 carries)
2007 18.9 rushes per game (starting RB had 84 carries) *this team had Crabtree and Amidola catching 243 passes
2008 24.4 rushes per game (starting RB had 141, backup RB had 114 carries)
2009 24.5 rushes per game (starting RB had 168 carries)
WSU
2012 21.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 85 carries)
2013 18.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 87 carries)
2014 20.3 rushes per game (starting RB had 87 carries)
2015 22.6 rushes per game (starting RB had 107 carries)
2016 27.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 102 carries)
2017 23.3 rushes per game (starting RB had 92 carries)
2018 21.4 rushes per game (starting RB had 122 carries)
2019 16.2 rushes per game (starting RB had 127 carries)

When Leach had a good RB, he ran the ball more. When he didn't he ran the ball less.

He has a good RB, probably the best back he's ever coached.

I expect to see Hill get at least 200 touches this season, about 120 rushes and 80 passes, based on Leach's history.

[BiscuitEater]

The RB in a Leach Offense is ALSO a receiver.

Think that the passing offense will be as good as the OL lets it be .. Even moreso than the WRs. 'If' the QB has time to make his reads, the passing game will roll.

[The Federalist Engineer]

While Leach is not a running coach, he runs the ball.

Actual stats for runs per game for Leach:
TTU
2000 25.4 rushes per game (starting RB had 127 carries)
2001 23.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 142 carries)
2002 27.5 rushes per game (starting RB had 153 carries)
2003 23.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 124 carries)
2004 24.4 rushes per game (starting RB had 162 carries)
2005 25.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 148 carries)
2006 16.9 rushes per game (starting RB had 152 carries)
2007 18.9 rushes per game (starting RB had 84 carries) *this team had Crabtree and Amidola catching 243 passes
2008 24.4 rushes per game (starting RB had 141, backup RB had 114 carries)
2009 24.5 rushes per game (starting RB had 168 carries)
WSU
2012 21.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 85 carries)
2013 18.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 87 carries)
2014 20.3 rushes per game (starting RB had 87 carries)
2015 22.6 rushes per game (starting RB had 107 carries)
2016 27.7 rushes per game (starting RB had 102 carries)
2017 23.3 rushes per game (starting RB had 92 carries)
2018 21.4 rushes per game (starting RB had 122 carries)
2019 16.2 rushes per game (starting RB had 127 carries)

When Leach had a good RB, he ran the ball more. When he didn't he ran the ball less.

He has a good RB, probably the best back he's ever coached.

I expect to see Hill get at least 200 touches this season, about 120 rushes and 80 passes, based on Leach's history.

Lungbill is forgetting that leach is not coming to the SEC or a men?s sports conference for the first time. Leach torched and wrecked some great defenses in the Big 12 before they all became spread teams. I?m talking the great Texas and Oklahoma teams of their golden age of early 2000?s.

Also Leach put up numbers with Kentucky in the SEC 1990?s.

Also, NFL teams are now running his offense. This is isn?t a Valdosta State gimmick, this is an NFL mainstream offense.

[Coach34]

Also Leach put up numbers with Kentucky in the SEC 1990?s..

Why do people keep saying this? Hal Mumme called plays at Kentucky. Dan Mullen has an OC also but he calls the plays. Leach left Kentucky so he could start doing his thing.

[The Federalist Engineer]

Why do people keep saying this? Hal Mumme called plays at Kentucky. Dan Mullen has an OC also but he calls the plays. Leach left Kentucky so he could start doing his thing.

Call the plays or not, he was Mumme’s OC in three stops and got a promotion to Oklahoma to call the plays for Bob Stoops

According the Stoops he hired ML cause he felt Kentucky was the best coached offense he faced as the Florida DC. He said this frequently at OU as the ML offense blew Oklahoma minds. They went spread and never looked back.

LOL, Maybe Mumme should have let ML call the plays and he would not have ended up at Jackson State and Belhaven later.

[TrapGame]

Call the plays or not, he was Mumme’s OC in three stops and got a promotion to Oklahoma to call the plays for Mike Stoops

According the Stoops he hired ML cause he felt Kentucky was the best coached offense he faced as the Florida DC. He said this frequently at OU as the ML blew Oklahoma minds. They went spread and never looked back.

LOL, Maybe Mumme should have let ML call the plays and he would not have ended up at Jackson State and Belhaven later.

Yeah, somebody's career went through the roof and somebody else's career fall into the basement.

[Cowbell]

Why do people keep saying this? Hal Mumme called plays at Kentucky. Dan Mullen has an OC also but he calls the plays. Leach left Kentucky so he could start doing his thing.

You are really stretching it here. You need to educate yourself a little bit more on the role/impact Leach had on Mumme and that Kentucky team. You need to educate yourself more on Leach in general as this is not the first time you have spouted ignorance on this topic.

[Johnson85]

Why do people keep saying this? Hal Mumme called plays at Kentucky. Dan Mullen has an OC also but he calls the plays. Leach left Kentucky so he could start doing his thing.

I dont' know who called the plays at UK, but it seems instructive that Mumme fell off the map without Leach and Leach kept doing his thing.

[Coach34]

I dont' know who called the plays at UK, but it seems instructive that Mumme fell off the map without Leach and Leach kept doing his thing.

You realize that Leach runs Mumme's offense right? Now Leach has certainly put his stamp on it- but Mumme is the Father of the Air Raid. Also, Mumme's fall was due to his NCAA problems- not losing Leach. Then when you add this to it:

"While the coach at New Mexico State, Mumme was the object of a lawsuit brought by four Muslim NMSU players and the ACLU, who claimed that Mumme subjected them to a hostile work environment on account of their religion.[19] The lawsuit was eventually settled out of court, when NMSU agreed to pay a sum of $165,000 to the four players. Neither Mumme nor NMSU admitted to any wrongdoing in the case"

no big school is hiring Mumme after all that