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    Quote Originally Posted by confucius say View Post
    Why do you think this defense will be worse than last year?
    How are we worse at lb and safety?
    The kid from Grenada is going to be an excellent cover CB. He needs to RS. He is going to get wrecked when he has to tackle an SEC RB that weighs 200 pounds. He weighed 160 in the Fall- he may be 170 now- but he aint ready for SEC tackling. He's a 7 on 7 Specialist right now. We were good at CB last year with Dantzler and Smitherman- we dropped off considerably after Smitherman got hurt.

    Murphy can play. He will be pretty good.

    Thompson can play the run damn well- struggles in pass coverage. He is not in the NFL because he was projected a late round pick last April. Gay played 4 games and look where he got picked? Losing experience in Washington and Leo hurts this group also

    Our DL has no pass rushers and we dont have "that guy" who can be that Nose who makes offenses worried about. We do have a chance to be decent against the run.

    We lost 8 of our top 12 tacklers from 2019. In almost every world a defense takes a step back the next year when that happens unless they have an ultra-talented group of young guys. We dont have that.

    Add lack of depth to that and the possibility of 50 passes per game on offense vs 35 to extend games.

    We will struggle alot on D in 2020- especially when we get a few injuries- which always happens
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    The kid from Grenada is going to be an excellent cover CB. He needs to RS. He is going to get wrecked when he has to tackle an SEC RB that weighs 200 pounds. He weighed 160 in the Fall- he may be 170 now- but he aint ready for SEC tackling. He's a 7 on 7 Specialist right now. We were good at CB last year with Dantzler and Smitherman- we dropped off considerably after Smitherman got hurt.

    Murphy can play. He will be pretty good.

    Thompson can play the run damn well- struggles in pass coverage. He is not in the NFL because he was projected a late round pick last April. Gay played 4 games and look where he got picked? Losing experience in Washington and Leo hurts this group also

    Our DL has no pass rushers and we dont have "that guy" who can be that Nose who makes offenses worried about. We do have a chance to be decent against the run.

    We lost 8 of our top 12 tacklers from 2019. In almost every world a defense takes a step back the next year when that happens unless they have an ultra-talented group of young guys. We dont have that.

    Add lack of depth to that and the possibility of 50 passes per game on offense vs 35 to extend games.

    We will struggle alot on D in 2020- especially when we get a few injuries- which always happens
    Only hope I see of the D being decent is

    1) the scheme is unique and I could see some stubborn OC refusing to adapt/being too incompetent to prepare his QB to make pre snap reads.

    2) If the scheme/the new guys can generate a much better pass rush than I expect. That's the only way to help the DBs.

    I agree though that it's not looking good overall. We will probably see some '16 level blown coverages due to QBs having 4+ seconds to throw and non-SEC DBs being fielded due to injury/rest needs.

    Some fans will blame Arnett saying he sucks and Shoop was way better, and others will argue that it's just personnel. I'll just be smiling that we're discussing football instead of COVID

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    Cant judge Arnett on 2020. 2021 will be a much better judge. We have to recruit better on D- it has dropped the last couple of years
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    The kid from Grenada is going to be an excellent cover CB. He needs to RS. He is going to get wrecked when he has to tackle an SEC RB that weighs 200 pounds. He weighed 160 in the Fall- he may be 170 now- but he aint ready for SEC tackling. He's a 7 on 7 Specialist right now. We were good at CB last year with Dantzler and Smitherman- we dropped off considerably after Smitherman got hurt.

    Murphy can play. He will be pretty good.

    Thompson can play the run damn well- struggles in pass coverage. He is not in the NFL because he was projected a late round pick last April. Gay played 4 games and look where he got picked? Losing experience in Washington and Leo hurts this group also

    Our DL has no pass rushers and we dont have "that guy" who can be that Nose who makes offenses worried about. We do have a chance to be decent against the run.

    We lost 8 of our top 12 tacklers from 2019. In almost every world a defense takes a step back the next year when that happens unless they have an ultra-talented group of young guys. We dont have that.

    Add lack of depth to that and the possibility of 50 passes per game on offense vs 35 to extend games.

    We will struggle alot on D in 2020- especially when we get a few injuries- which always happens
    I agree mostly. Def agree with last paragraph.
    Still not sure we will be markedly worse than 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    Cant judge Arnett on 2020. 2021 will be a much better judge. We have to recruit better on D- it has dropped the last couple of years
    I agree with your first two sentences 100%, and I do think we need to recruit better defensively but it is worth mentioning that our defense would not have been what it was in 2017 and 2018 without the signing of a generational DL talent in Simmons and unbelievably good JUCO class in 2017. I am not sure those are things you can count on consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Falcon View Post
    I agree with your first two sentences 100%, and I do think we need to recruit better defensively but it is worth mentioning that our defense would not have been what it was in 2017 and 2018 without the signing of a generational DL talent in Simmons and unbelievably good JUCO class in 2017. I am not sure those are things you can count on consistently.
    You can't, but we should be able to count on having NFL quality DL based on our history the past decade plus - Love, Cox, Smith, McPhee, Denico Autry,and Hoyett, show that. And that's not counting talent like Jones, Simmons & Sweat.
    I think we've had a few years of weaker in-state talent and our recruiting has been inconsistent with the staff turnover. I think we have some talent in Pickering and King Ani, but they are young and not at the point where they can take over a game like Jones or Simmons could at the same point in their careers. The difference in last year and this year versus the past 10 season prior is we had at least 1 guy who was at a high level, even if the rest were young or lesser talents. Maybe Pickering can step up, maybe Arnett can mask some of it. It was a weakness last year, and will probably be one again this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by preachermatt83 View Post
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