Shannon Terry says....

[MSUDAWGFAN]

A few important moments missing from that timeline, lol....not surprising, though, considering the source...but I guess the desired effect was successful.

Here's a more comprehensive list, from a conservative source, no less....

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-igno...dWoDlGawpFY15g

Well, this does not appear to be quite the unbiased source. For one, it calls Trump's travel ban his "fake travel ban". It wasn't fake. It was very real. And my own ears heard several high profile Democrats refer to it as Xenophobic. It also doesn't show that the Democrats were so preoccupied with the impeachment trial to show they were actually doing anything except trying to impede Trump's progress on preventing the virus. It also doesn't mention that the N95 mask shortage was created when the Obama administration failed to replenish the supply after they used it for H1N1. I could point to a few other things it doesn't mention, but you could just click the link I posted first and check those out. There were many steps Trump took, and all he faced was a Democrat party that tried to impede him every step of the way.

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...e-created-2020

I do concede that Trump had time to replenish it during his time as President, but to say he is solely responsible for it is just false. The blame is largely to go to the Obama administration, which Joe Biden was a member of.

Like I said, probably nothing I can say or facts I can point to will convince you that Trump has done a much better job on this than Obama did. As I said, even Ron Klain said they basically got lucky. If that doesn't do it, nothing will.

[confucius say]

Anyone else miss the days when we just fought about Mullen, Moorhead, Howland, Cohen bunting all the time, etc?

Stans!!!!!

[Dawgology]

You must spread rep. Good one.

[StarkVegasSteve]

Anyone else miss the days when we just fought about Mullen, Moorhead, Howland, Cohen bunting all the time, etc?

I'd give a lot of money to watch Brandon Holloway run up the middle or Moorhead's check with me no huddle offense moving at a snails pace

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Also, even though this isn't an apples to apples comparison, since you brought up H1N1....

https://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/estimates_2009_h1n1.htm

From April 2009 to April 2010, 60 million cases and 12,469 total deaths in the United States....a death rate of 0.02078%...we're only 8 months into COVID, btw. How many deaths so far?

Also...the cabinet was far from bare for a COVID response. In fact, it was the opposite...

https://www.phe.gov/Preparedness/int...es/napapi.aspx
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...ortunities.pdf
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/...icials-confirm

Unfortunately...
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...council-149285
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-pandemic-plan

You don understand the differences between mortality rates between the two viruses, right? Please, for the love of God, don't try to compare the two. As I posted above, the mortality rate of Corona Virus is 13-20 times more deadly than H1N1. We got lucky in 2009-2010.

[BeardoMSU]

You don understand the differences between mortality rates between the two viruses, right? Please, for the love of God, don't try to compare the two. As I posted above, the mortality rate of Corona Virus is 13-20 times more deadly than H1N1. We got lucky in 2009-2010.

The first thing I said was COVID vs H1N1 "is not an apples to apples comparison, but since you brought it up". Did you skip that part?

And the intent, obviously, wasn't to compare the mortality rates of the two (see above), but to the note the number of dead Americans in both time spans.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

but to the note the number of dead Americans in both time spans.

So that has nothing to do with mortality rate, right? I think it is DIRECTLY related to it.

[BeardoMSU]

As I said, even Ron Klain said they basically got lucky. If that doesn't do it, nothing will.

Ron Klain has had plenty to say...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/obam...-response.html
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...-response.html
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...campaign-video
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obam...ry?id=69774179

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Of course he is going to critique Trump unfairly. He is of the opposite party as Trump. I find it interesting that he basically gave Obama an F. That would be like Pence giving Trump an F.

[Quaoarsking]

And my own ears heard several high profile Democrats refer to it as Xenophobic.

Who said that about the "travel ban" in particular? How are you defining "high profile" ? I mean, there are hundreds of Dems in the House and plenty are morons, so somebody might have said something along those lines, but it wasn't Joe Biden.

Lots of people, including Biden, have called Trump xenophobic in general over the years, but not about the travel ban itself. Republicans try to make a connection that doesn't exist on those statements because that's the best they can do.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

The Bulwark is no conservative source. These are current headlines on this site:
"The ravings of Mad King Trump"
"What if it's burned down already?"
"Trump has a Pen and a Phone"
"Trump saying Biden would 'hurt the bible' and 'hurt God' is the height of hypocrisy"
"Trump got bored with Venezuela"


Hell, if you can point to one positive article from this source on Trump, I'll acknowledge it.

[Quaoarsking]

The Bulwark is no conservative source. These are current headlines on this site:
"The ravings of Mad King Trump"
"What if it's burned down already?"
"Trump has a Pen and a Phone"
"Trump saying Biden would 'hurt the bible' and 'hurt God' is the height of hypocrisy"
"Trump got bored with Venezuela"


Hell, if you can point to one positive article from this source on Trump, I'll acknowledge it.

Is supporting Trump the only thing that determines whether something is conservative these days? Is Ben Shapiro conservative? Justin Amash? George Will? Ann Coulter?

[BeardoMSU]

Of course he is going to critique Trump unfairly. He is of the opposite party as Trump. I find it interesting that he basically gave Obama an F. That would be like Pence giving Trump an F.

"Basically gave Obama an F"?

Lol, saying "they got lucky" isn't remotely the same. I wish we were all so lucky, especially now.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Who said that about the "travel ban" in particular? How are you defining "high profile" ? I mean, there are hundreds of Dems in the House and plenty are morons, so somebody might have said something along those lines, but it wasn't Joe Biden.

Lots of people, including Biden, have called Trump xenophobic in general over the years, but not about the travel ban itself. Republicans try to make a connection that doesn't exist on those statements because that's the best they can do.

Well, Nancy Pelosi is one. Here is her statement.

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/13120-2

This is from January 31, the same day Trump issued the ban.

And yes, Joe Biden was another. He can go back and try revisionist history, and that works with a large percentage of the population. But he said it then. And he said it specifically due to the travel ban.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...dly-xenophobic

[ScoobaDawg]

I've got news for all you guys thinking this shit changes after the election. It won't. Are politics in play? Sure, to a point. But Covid isn't going anywhere. It's 17ing real. It's not some pretend bullshit. If you think it is, you're part of the problem, as well as an ignorant SOB.

Thank you. It's disgusting someone can logically think things will magically get better no matter which candidate wins. No. this sh!t isn't going anywhere until a vaccine that works gets into most of the population.

[MSUDAWGFAN]

Well, he did say they "Got everything wrong." Maybe he didn't use the same vernacular, but that's kind of close. If your professor in college were to give you a grade when you got everything wrong, what grade do you think it would be?

[BeardoMSU]

Is supporting Trump the only thing that determines whether something is conservative these days? Is Ben Shapiro conservative? Justin Amash? George Will? Ann Coulter?

And you can add David French, Jonah Goldberg, David Frum, Noah Rothman, Rich Lowry, and Seth Mandel to the list of mainstream conservative voices that haven't rendered unto Caesar.

[Dawgology]

Well, Nancy Pelosi is one. Here is her statement.

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/13120-2

This is from January 31, the same day Trump issued the ban.

And yes, Joe Biden was another. He can go back and try revisionist history, and that works with a large percentage of the population. But he said it then. And he said it specifically due to the travel ban.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...dly-xenophobic

He got you there, dude.

[BeardoMSU]

Well, he did say they "Got everything wrong." Maybe he didn't use the same vernacular, but that's kind of close. If your professor in college were to give you a grade when you got everything wrong, what grade do you think it would be?

Where is the full quote and context of that discussion? I would like to see it.

[William Tecumsah Sherman]

Biden can say whatever he wants and it does not matter. He gets a pass because ?we?ll, he?s always been goofy?