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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    If this were to ever be allowed the size of the industry would shrink. Donors would bail like crazy.
    roster sizes would have to shrink. A lot of guys that want to be paid, wouldn't have a spot on a SEC team.

    when Ed O'bannon wanted to get paid for being on a video game, they just stopped making the video game. You always have to be careful what you wish for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    This might be a good thing. Just let all the guys go who want to get paid and get the kids that really want to play college football. Watch D2 or D3 games sometimes and you'll see kids playing hard every play and just enjoying the game, it's refreshing.
    Exactly, its why the NFL needs their own minor league system. Got way too many college athletes in college that don't want to be there and have no regard for the value of getting a college education. They need to have the choice to just go play football full time IF the NFL is willing to pay the freight to develop them out of HS. Right now, colleges are doing that for them and its not costing the NFL a dime. As I've said, college baseball is the best model of how college sports should work other than the fact that more of them should be getting full scholarships for the time they put into their sport.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    Exactly, its why the NFL needs their own minor league system. Got way too many college athletes in college that don't want to be there and have no regard for the value of getting a college education. They need to have the choice to just go play football full time IF the NFL is willing to pay the freight to develop them out of HS. Right now, colleges are doing that for them and its not costing the NFL a dime. As I've said, college baseball is the best model of how college sports should work other than the fact that more of them should be getting full scholarships for the time they put into their sport.
    The NFL loves having a free minor league system with college. They don't want their own system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    Exactly, its why the NFL needs their own minor league system. Got way too many college athletes in college that don't want to be there and have no regard for the value of getting a college education. They need to have the choice to just go play football full time IF the NFL is willing to pay the freight to develop them out of HS. Right now, colleges are doing that for them and its not costing the NFL a dime. As I've said, college baseball is the best model of how college sports should work other than the fact that more of them should be getting full scholarships for the time they put into their sport.
    Agree on the baseball model. NBA has D league. NFL needs to step up and quit riding the college system coat tails. College needs to shut it down now as well. The house of cards will implode like everything else if they let this continue. Someone has got to have a backbone and have some business IQ. Did any of these leaders go to college or understand business?

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    1956 Paul Hornung Rookie Standard Players Contract. Few documents could carry more significance to fans of the Green Bay Packers than this one, which brought the number one pick in the 1957 draft into the green and yellow fold. The Heisman-winning Notre Dame halfback would prove to be an integral part of the equation that would turn Lombardi's team into one of the NFL's greatest dynasties, and earn their little Wisconsin home city the name of "Titletown USA." The standard contract secures the Golden Boy's services for the years of "1957 - 58 - 59," setting the annual salary at fifteen thousand dollars. A typed rider at the top stipulates, "However the term of this three year contract shall be extended beyond the said three years for such period of time as the Player shall be engaged in military service." Signifying their consent to this term with their initials are Hornung, Packers president Russell Bogda and commissioner Bert Bell. Each of these gentlemen sign in full at the close of the contract, along with witnesses Bernard Darling (whose 1929 Packers Championship watch is available in this auction!) and Paul Hornung's agent Julius Tucker. All autographs and the contract itself remain in absolutely flawless condition, clearly treasured and protected as the tremendously significant artifact that it is. Original storage folds present. Measures 8x20" in its entirety. LOA from PSA/DNA. LOA from James Spence Authentication.


    Did he play pro ball for the money?

    What would that 15000.00 per year be in today's money?


    What would a college player in 1956 have been worth? 200.00 a year?

    I understand the college game produces more today but what should college sports be about? What is girls volleyball about? What should football be about? What are you as a fan willing to pay for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by R2Dawg View Post
    Agree on the baseball model. NBA has D league. NFL needs to step up and quit riding the college system coat tails. College needs to shut it down now as well. The house of cards will implode like everything else if they let this continue. Someone has got to have a backbone and have some business IQ. Did any of these leaders go to college or understand business?
    I don't think ya'll realize how bad it would be for college football if the NFL "steps up" and creates a developmental league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    The NFL loves having a free minor league system with college. They don't want their own system.
    Well that's obvious, they love the gravy train of getting something for nothing. But its about to all come to a head. Colleges were never set up to pay players a salary to be on a college football team. NFL needs to be sued for their age restrictions on drafting and once that is struck down a HS football player can either be drafted (whether for being developed in some kind of minor league system or going straight to the NFL), play at a college with all expenses paid (what they have now), or neither and just go out into the real world and get a job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    I don't think ya'll realize how bad it would be for college football if the NFL "steps up" and creates a developmental league.
    How bad would it be? Colleges would play with overall less talented players for sure (just like baseball and to some degree basketball) but I would much rather have that than to pull for a 'mercenary for hire' college football team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    How bad would it be? Colleges would play with overall less talented players for sure (just like baseball and to some degree basketball) but I would much rather have that than to pull for a 'mercenary for hire' college football team.
    That's why I love watching D2 and D3 games. 99% of those kids are playing because they love the game and have no illusions of playing in "the league" and they're getting an education to boot. They also play extremely hard and with "relentless effort", which is always fun to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    I don't think ya'll realize how bad it would be for college football if the NFL "steps up" and creates a developmental league.
    I don't really think it would change all that much. The teams would still be about on the same par as they are now with the big dogs getting the best of whats available and it would work down from there.

    The product wouldn't noticeably change all that much since every team would be dealing with the same issues. It wouldn't be as noticeable that there is a talent deficiency. The only way it would be noticeably bad would be if one team IE Bama was still getting NFL caliber players and the rest of the teams weren't.

    Also, what? 1%-3% of college football players get drafted? So, adjusting for those kids that will attempt the NFL minor league and not make it, you're looking at maybe 5 players a class that bail on college. Yea, product won't change that much.

    Just like you have a lot of talented baseball players that end up going the college route you will also have football players that would do the same. Some of which would be late bloomers and develop into quality NFL talents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB30 View Post
    I don't really think it would change all that much. The teams would still be about on the same par as they are now with the big dogs getting the best of whats available and it would work down from there.

    The product wouldn't noticeably change all that much since every team would be dealing with the same issues. It wouldn't be as noticeable that there is a talent deficiency. The only way it would be noticeably bad would be if one team IE Bama was still getting NFL caliber players and the rest of the teams weren't.

    Also, what? 1%-3% of college football players get drafted? So, adjusting for those kids that will attempt the NFL minor league and not make it, you're looking at maybe 5 players a class that bail on college. Yea, product won't change that much.

    Just like you have a lot of talented baseball players that end up going the college route you will also have football players that would do the same. Some of which would be late bloomers and develop into quality NFL talents.
    agree to strongly disagree. Nearly everyone D1 player in the Power 5 thinks he's going to the league. They would all go to this hypothetical pro league. Only 2% would sniff the NFL. College football would be shit. Anytime a player had any kind of success, he would go pro.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    agree to strongly disagree. Nearly everyone D1 player in the Power 5 thinks he's going to the league. They would all go to this hypothetical pro league. Only 2% would sniff the NFL. College football would be shit. Anytime a player had any kind of success, he would go pro.
    Disagree. Some would go to the NFL but the majority would go to minor league...pretty much all 5-star kids and high 4-star kids would go to the minor league and get paid. At that point you would be left with athletes who are playing on scholarship to get an education like...you know...an ACTUAL student-athlete...instead of playing college football to get $100 handshakes and 5 figure under-the-table payouts. It would be clear that they probably won't go pro...but they will get an education for free.

    Additionally, that would bump up some students who end up in smaller schools into playing for larger programs with better educational opportunities.

    The overall talent would go down across the board and would probably even the playing field to some small degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    agree to strongly disagree. Nearly everyone D1 player in the Power 5 thinks he's going to the league. They would all go to this hypothetical pro league. Only 2% would sniff the NFL. College football would be shit. Anytime a player had any kind of success, he would go pro.
    There would not be enough spots in a hypothetical pro minor league system to take that many HS players every single season. Not to mention all the really good college players that don’t get drafted straight to the NFL, they will take up a lot of spots.

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    People clearly have no clue what athletes get today compared to 15-20 years ago..... way way way more. Scholarship, books, room check, meal check, (part can go straight in their pocket due to the amount of food available daily at complex) , pell grants in lists of cases, plus stipend With all they they get a chance if they are good enough to play professionally and if not they SHOULD have an education that they have spent zero on. Which in theory should lead to further employment. If that's not enough just don't fing play. Go to college and have debt like half of America and not have made money during college for beer, women and dope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Homedawg View Post
    People clearly have no clue what athletes get today compared to 15-20 years ago..... way way way more. Scholarship, books, room check, meal check, (part can go straight in their pocket due to the amount of food available daily at complex) , pell grants in lists of cases, plus stipend With all they they get a chance if they are good enough to play professionally and if not they SHOULD have an education that they have spent zero on. Which in theory should lead to further employment. If that's not enough just don't fing play. Go to college and have debt like half of America and not have made money during college for beer, women and dope.
    A-M-E-N. End of thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    A-M-E-N. End of thread.
    Yeah Homedawg mic dropped on this one!

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    Yep.

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    So what happens when, once college players get paid, it drops down to the high school stars demanding to be paid too? Many, maybe most, don't want to be in school there either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoopsDawg View Post
    agree to strongly disagree. Nearly everyone D1 player in the Power 5 thinks he's going to the league. They would all go to this hypothetical pro league. Only 2% would sniff the NFL. College football would be shit. Anytime a player had any kind of success, he would go pro.
    They wouldn't all go to the minor league. The NFL would only be willing to select and pay the HS recruits that were the absolute cream of the crop. And the vast majority wouldn't get anymore in pay than they currently get in full scholarship benefits at a P5 college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maroonmania View Post
    They wouldn't all go to the minor league. The NFL would only be willing to select and pay the HS recruits that were the absolute cream of the crop. And the vast majority wouldn't get anymore in pay than they currently get in full scholarship benefits at a P5 college.
    Heck some of these guys take a pay cut when they go from college to the nfl right now.

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