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    Quote Originally Posted by Thick View Post
    Wtf.....a ?Get Started? stipend of $30k?? So, they get a free college education and then you give them $30k. Has everyone lost their freaking minds? I was 4 year scholarship player at MSU (3 year letterman), and I got a damn job utilizing my free college education. 26 years of medical sales, and I have lived a comfortable life with 3 daughters to boot. Those players are freaking coddled as shit, and if you think otherwise, then you really don?t know anything about college athletics.

    How much happens behind the scenes that don?t make it to the front pages or social media? You would be amazed, but if you start putting more money in their pockets you will see some outlandish shit happen. Remember where a lot of our kids come from. I guess liberals just don?t get until it?s too late.
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    This is the most common sense I have seen on this board in quite some time. We may play football after all....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thick View Post
    And this too! Spot on
    Hear, hear on all your comments!

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    Would they not be subjecting themselves to fines as well? Isn't that how pro and semipro athletic's disciplinary works? Seems like that would be a mess.

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    Oh GOD ... whatever do we do? Please dont take away the Pac 12 ... tell them to become the Big 16. Take away that conference ... Zero Fuks given. Stuff now days is just getting RIDICULOUS. Give me NFL, give me the 62 games of MLB, and give me all the SEC conference games .. the rest can go do what they wish. God forbid the West coast teams/players boycott.
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    Paying cash payments to players is wrong, we talking about a sport not a career! Once you start it only gets worse, the so called "stars" will demand more just like the Pro's! If they think it's unfair and don't like it, well quit and find a real job! I'm sure there are many students who would love to have the benefits of having a full ride to graduate with all their benefits now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basedog View Post
    Paying cash payments to players is wrong, we talking about a sport not a career! Once you start it only gets worse, the so called "stars" will demand more just like the Pro's! If they think it's unfair and don't like it, well quit and find a real job! I'm sure there are many students who would love to have the benefits of having a full ride to graduate with all their benefits now.
    Amen, they are also supposed to be amateurs and not professional athletes. College athletics was/is an extra curricular (an endeavor that is pursued in addition to the normal course of study) activity!

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    Quote Originally Posted by basedog View Post
    Paying cash payments to players is wrong, we talking about a sport not a career! Once you start it only gets worse, the so called "stars" will demand more just like the Pro's! If they think it's unfair and don't like it, well quit and find a real job! I'm sure there are many students who would love to have the benefits of having a full ride to graduate with all their benefits now.
    Which they do in baseball, basketball, soccer, tennis, golf, hockey, and a number of Olympic sports. All of those have an outlet for those who have the talent to be professionals at an early age - as young as 16 in some instances - to begin making money off of their talents. Football is the lone sport where there is no alternative - you either go to college and hope to climb to the NFL or you are done. Can't turn pro at 16 like tennis. Can't get drafted at 18 like baseball and hockey. But, because college football established itself as marketable industry long before a professional outlet became available, it has been able to collude with the NFL to keep CFB as the only path to the NFL.

    College football players miss prime earning years compared to their peers in all major sports - and that is what college football players are beginning realize. They also realize that the NFL rookie contract structure makes it so that they will never come close to earning the monies that their athletic peers can between 18 and 30. Look at Dak - the most under valued player in the NFL. He'll be 27 next week is just finishing that rookie contract worth $3.6 million. He's made a reported $50m off endorsement deals (way more than most NFL players in his draft class), and add his "earnings" at MSU of a $100k education. Thats $53.7 million from 18-27. Not bad, but again unusual compared to most NFL players his age. But, compare it to an equivalent in baseball - say Jason Heyward - not a super star like Mike Trout. Heyward at age 30 has earned $98m - and is contractually owed another $79 million. That's salary alone for Jay Hey, not endorsement deals.

    So, if you look through the economics of college football from a player compensation perspective - colleges are getting a deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Which they do in baseball, basketball, soccer, tennis, golf, hockey, and a number of Olympic sports. All of those have an outlet for those who have the talent to be professionals at an early age - as young as 16 in some instances - to begin making money off of their talents. Football is the lone sport where there is no alternative - you either go to college and hope to climb to the NFL or you are done. Can't turn pro at 16 like tennis. Can't get drafted at 18 like baseball and hockey. But, because college football established itself as marketable industry long before a professional outlet became available, it has been able to collude with the NFL to keep CFB as the only path to the NFL.

    College football players miss prime earning years compared to their peers in all major sports - and that is what college football players are beginning realize. They also realize that the NFL rookie contract structure makes it so that they will never come close to earning the monies that their athletic peers can between 18 and 30. Look at Dak - the most under valued player in the NFL. He'll be 27 next week is just finishing that rookie contract worth $3.6 million. He's made a reported $50m off endorsement deals (way more than most NFL players in his draft class), and add his "earnings" at MSU of a $100k education. Thats $53.7 million from 18-27. Not bad, but again unusual compared to most NFL players his age. But, compare it to an equivalent in baseball - say Jason Heyward - not a super star like Mike Trout. Heyward at age 30 has earned $98m - and is contractually owed another $79 million. That's salary alone for Jay Hey, not endorsement deals.

    So, if you look through the economics of college football from a player compensation perspective - colleges are getting a deal.
    First off, football is totally different than any sport mentioned, it's a grown man full contact sport. Most football players at 18-20 year old aren't even close to being a Professional. As far as the age goes to be drafted, I see no problem.
    When colleges start paying players with cash or incentives to cash, then the game of college football will be filled with lawyers, agents and unions.
    College football want be the same giving football players money, then what will all the other sport program players think about their share? This giving money to football players go way beyond just them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basedog View Post
    First off, football is totally different than any sport mentioned, it's a grown man full contact sport. Most football players at 18-20 year old aren't even close to being a Professional. As far as the age goes to be drafted, I see no problem.
    When colleges start paying players with cash or incentives to cash, then the game of college football will be filled with lawyers, agents and unions.
    College football want be the same giving football players money, then what will all the other sport program players think about their share? This giving money to football players go way beyond just them.
    We wouldn't know, we've never been allowed to find out. And, believe me, there would be players who could do it. I KNOW Herschel and Bo could have. Probably Deion Sanders and Randy Moss. Probably a number of skill position guys can. Yeah, guys like that are the exception - but so are Tiger, Kobe, Agassi, McEnroe, Serena Williams, Wayne Rooney, Bryce Hunter, Ronald Acuna, etc. They had the talent and opportunity to do it. Along with them are thousands who never made it as household names but maximized their abilities and earnings to make a comfortable life for themselves and their families. You would have the same thing in the NFL - the NFL would put money in player development, get those guys to a training table just like the SEC does, and in a year or maybe two a guy like Chris Jones or Jeff Simmons could make their way into the rotation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    We wouldn't know, we've never been allowed to find out. And, believe me, there would be players who could do it. I KNOW Herschel and Bo could have. Probably Deion Sanders and Randy Moss. Probably a number of skill position guys can. Yeah, guys like that are the exception - but so are Tiger, Kobe, Agassi, McEnroe, Serena Williams, Wayne Rooney, Bryce Hunter, Ronald Acuna, etc. They had the talent and opportunity to do it. Along with them are thousands who never made it as household names but maximized their abilities and earnings to make a comfortable life for themselves and their families. You would have the same thing in the NFL - the NFL would put money in player development, get those guys to a training table just like the SEC does, and in a year or maybe two a guy like Chris Jones or Jeff Simmons could make their way into the rotation.
    A university's objective is to give a student athlete an education ... not to recruit for the NFL, NBA, MLB, or PGA .... both sides benefit already - how is this a bad thing? What else does the university owe them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg View Post
    Which they do in baseball, basketball, soccer, tennis, golf, hockey, and a number of Olympic sports. All of those have an outlet for those who have the talent to be professionals at an early age - as young as 16 in some instances - to begin making money off of their talents. Football is the lone sport where there is no alternative - you either go to college and hope to climb to the NFL or you are done. Can't turn pro at 16 like tennis. Can't get drafted at 18 like baseball and hockey. But, because college football established itself as marketable industry long before a professional outlet became available, it has been able to collude with the NFL to keep CFB as the only path to the NFL.

    College football players miss prime earning years compared to their peers in all major sports - and that is what college football players are beginning realize. They also realize that the NFL rookie contract structure makes it so that they will never come close to earning the monies that their athletic peers can between 18 and 30. Look at Dak - the most under valued player in the NFL. He'll be 27 next week is just finishing that rookie contract worth $3.6 million. He's made a reported $50m off endorsement deals (way more than most NFL players in his draft class), and add his "earnings" at MSU of a $100k education. Thats $53.7 million from 18-27. Not bad, but again unusual compared to most NFL players his age. But, compare it to an equivalent in baseball - say Jason Heyward - not a super star like Mike Trout. Heyward at age 30 has earned $98m - and is contractually owed another $79 million. That's salary alone for Jay Hey, not endorsement deals.

    So, if you look through the economics of college football from a player compensation perspective - colleges are getting a deal.

    College athletes are amateurs as they are supposed to be Student-Athletes. Notice the word Student comes first. The first or primary purpose of college is to get an education. If a player wants to forgo an education and be paid for his/her talents, then go get job or get drafted in some farm league to their respective sport. If an appropriate farm league does not exist, then I guess you have a business opportunity to start one! Go for it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by basedog View Post
    Paying cash payments to players is wrong, we talking about a sport not a career! Once you start it only gets worse, the so called "stars" will demand more just like the Pro's! If they think it's unfair and don't like it, well quit and find a real job! I'm sure there are many students who would love to have the benefits of having a full ride to graduate with all their benefits now.
    Yes, and where does it end? What about the cheerleaders, the band, ball boys, managers, etc, shouldn't they get a piece of it too because they're all involved in the experience as well. Some businesses(huge multi-billion dollar companies) have internships where you make little to nothing/nothing just to get a chance to learn or develop a skill where you can make a big paycheck and career. Do like a baseball, make a minor league for those that don't want to go play college ball and get an education. This would be opening pandoras box. Heck most football players are probably getting paid more and getting perks that are more than they would get from some revenue sharing deal, especially in the SEC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commercecomet24 View Post
    Yes, and where does it end? What about the cheerleaders, the band, ball boys, managers, etc, shouldn't they get a piece of it too because they're all involved in the experience as well. Some businesses(huge multi-billion dollar companies) have internships where you make little to nothing/nothing just to get a chance to learn or develop a skill where you can make a big paycheck and career. Do like a baseball, make a minor league for those that don't want to go play college ball and get an education. This would be opening pandoras box. Heck most football players are probably getting paid more and getting perks that are more than they would get from some revenue sharing deal, especially in the SEC.
    How many interns work for free for 4 years in your Billion dollar company?


    At the one I am at, we pay the interns and they only work 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheltonChoked View Post
    How many interns work for free for 4 years in your Billion dollar company?
    What college did those interns educate themselves in before becoming interns? They dont graduate HS and then become interns in most major businesses
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coach34 View Post
    What college did those interns educate themselves in before becoming interns? They dont graduate HS and then become interns in most major businesses
    We start hiring as Freshmen.

    One of them is on the Board of Directors now (15 years later).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheltonChoked View Post
    How many interns work for free for 4 years in your Billion dollar company?


    At the one I am at, we pay the interns and they only work 6 months.
    I wish I could have gotten an internship that paid my room, board, tuition, and any other fees. And one where my female coworkers wear short skirts and cheer for me to succeed.I would have fought over that. Heck, anybody on here would have. Sign me up for 4 years of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
    I wish I could have gotten an internship that paid my room, board, tuition, and any other fees. And one where my female coworkers wear short skirts and cheer for me to succeed.I would have fought over that. Heck, anybody on here would have. Sign me up for 4 years of that.
    These people trained somewhere to get drafted as an intern. Major businesses arent signing interns out of HS
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cowbell View Post
    I wish I could have gotten an internship that paid my room, board, tuition, and any other fees. Sign me up for 4 years of that.
    You would have worked 50 hours a week for no pay, and just room and board for 4 years? I'll take you up on that.

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