Why there will be football.

[Dawg2003]

I'm going to bring the flu (also to include stomach viruses, whatever contagious sickness) back into conversation. 2 years from now when CV is wiped out/ vaccinated out/ easily treatable, are you gonna suggest that we all continue to isolate, wear masks, and live in fear that we may impact Or kill someone that chose not to stay home?

I have to vote next week on a city mask ordinance. I will possibly be the only one to vote no but I am telling you that I am sick and tired of this BS. When we feel our family is at risk, we take actions to protect ourself. This may mean that we have to give something up that we like. But, I don't feel like it is your responsibility to take care of my family. You shouldn't have to quit living life for the convenience of my family. And likewise, I shouldn't have to quit living mine.

Small government and self accountability are good things.

The problem is that your actions affect the group. The idea of small government and personal responsibility is a good slogan, but it falls apart in the face of public health. People aren't taking personal responsibility. I'm not a fan of the government telling me how to live my life either, but public health is much more complicated than that. We don't all live in a bubble when it comes to public health issues.

[confucius say]

Doring may be right in that there is college football this fall. However, if the covid spreads like crazy among players......money won't be a factor. It will be shut down.

I fully expect school and football to start and both shut down by October.

Don't be mad Clay.

Have any players who have tested positive been symptomatic? Any hospitalized? Why on earth would we shut down a billions dollar industry because players who want to play contracted the virus and are asymptomatic?

[Walkerhill]

Have any players who have tested positive been symptomatic? Any hospitalized? Why on earth would we shut down a billions dollar industry because players who want to play contracted the virus and are asymptomatic?

That is the worst case outcome. A stunted season and a lost year.

College football cannot work in the current moment.

The US pro soccer league tried a restart by isolating and testing the players and then keeping them in a bubble playing games with tv only, no fans at the Orlando complex.

Two teams had to withdraw so far. They do not touch a common ball with their hands, soccer is more spread out than football and most importantly the players were isolated (as opposed to the players attending classes and embedding in the student population on campus). It did not work. NBA will have similar problems unless they implement extreme quarantine measures that would be impossible for college football.

People thinking that in 2 months time, because big dollars are involved and/or college towns need the income, we are going to somehow get to a normal uninterrupted season played in front of fans are completely fooling themselves.

[Gutter Cobreh]

I tend to fall on that side. It should be a business by business approach. Gov't, at any level, telling people that they have to wear a mask should be an ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT and it really shouldn't happen. Honestly, a person should have enough sense whether they need to wear a mask or not. Now I know some don't and could walk around knowingly or unknowningly infecting people. That's why the businesses should be the one's deciding whether or not to wear a mask. Cause if the gov't has to step in and do it you piss people off and you have someone who leans EXTREMELY left or right that can come in and steal an election from a good candidate.

Common sense isn't all that common these days. Just look at this thread. Everyone thinks their opinion is the correct one but there is no true consensus. The country is full of egotistical, self-serving, ADD inflicted morons. From the MAGAs to the "Woke" ones and everyone in between....

[KentuckyDawg13]

pathetic

[Jack Lambert]

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[Liverpooldawg]

Almost sounds like the people who want to quarantine should and those that don't shouldn't. Then the actions of those that don't quarantine wouldn't affect those who are, but then again I believe individual freedom > collectivist ideals.

If that could be done then fine, but it can't be. When it comes to a deadly epidemic collectivist ideals are the only way to deal with it. I agree with you otherwise. Ignorance and stubbornness have put us where we are.

[Liverpooldawg]

Have any players who have tested positive been symptomatic? Any hospitalized? Why on earth would we shut down a billions dollar industry because players who want to play contracted the virus and are asymptomatic?

It's not about the players.

[Liverpooldawg]

Yet 10s of thousands still die of flu every year from it. I'm pretty confident that any health professional would tell you that wearing masks during flu season would drastically reduce deaths due to flu.

I understand that the sicknesses are not exactly apples to apples but both kill 10s of thousands and we currently can't seem to stop either from doing it.

If CV vaccine and treatment comes and we still have 60k people die from CV each year like flu(I think we will), then what?

For the record, there have already been mutations in CV. The mutations are the same reasons flu vaccines don't guarantee people not to get and die from flu.

If I believed that everyone wearing a mask for a few months would eradicate CV, I would actually support it. However, I don't believe it.

Have you ever known anyone personally who died from the flu? I'm in my 50s and I never have. I know several who have died from this already and it's only been here 4 months. I heard about another one about an hour ago.

[confucius say]

It's not about the players.

If you operate on the premise that the decision to play is not about the players, I.e., the players will be fine if we play, then play. There is zero reason anybody has to come in contact with them. Including coaches. As a coach I don't ever have to be close by you. Particularly in a situation where I would not have on a mask.

[TrapGame]

Have you ever known anyone personally who died from the flu? I'm in my 50s and I never have. I know several who have died from this already and it's only been here 4 months. I heard about another one about an hour ago.

I'm 50 and haven't had ONE person I know die. I know of ONE person that had it. Key word HAD. They're fine. Get off the fear porn Liver. This is not the Black Death. People are not dropping like flies.

I was in a traffic jam on Hwy 49 this morning. Believe me, everybody's fine.

[confucius say]

Have you ever known anyone personally who died from the flu? I'm in my 50s and I never have. I know several who have died from this already and it's only been here 4 months. I heard about another one about an hour ago.

You're in your 50s and never known somebody to die with the flu? Seriously? If true, and Considering there are 45k a year, that should tell you how little we cover the flu vs covid.

The below was sent to me today. I can link the article that is referenced if you'd like.
Read an article this morning. All the below are quotes from the article, which also talked about hospitals turning away patients bc overcrowded and sending ambulances to other hospitals or clinics. It is from January 2018 and the flu outbreak.

"Medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures, asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting family friends visits, and cancelling elective surgeries, to name a few."

"Our hospital is managing, but just barely."

"We are pretty much at capacity, and the volume is certainly different."

"I've been in practice 30 years, and it's been 15 or 20 years since I've seen an illness scenario like this."

In Alabama, "a state of emergency was declared in response to the epidemic." "UAB hospital cancelled elective surgeries to make more beds available to patients."

"In California, which has been hit particularly hard, several hospitals have set up large surge tents outside their emergency departments to accommodate and treat patients. Even then, emergency departments have standing-room only, and patients are being treated in hallways."

The article went on to describe similar situations in Pennsylvania, Chicago, and Missouri.

[Mobile Bay]

Have you ever known anyone personally who died from the flu? I'm in my 50s and I never have. I know several who have died from this already and it's only been here 4 months. I heard about another one about an hour ago.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

I know one person who has had this and she is fine.

[Ari Gold]

You're in your 50s and never known somebody to die with the flu? Seriously? If true, and Considering there are 45k a year, that should tell you how little we cover the flu vs covid.

The below was sent to me today. I can link the article that is referenced if you'd like.
Read an article this morning. All the below are quotes from the article, which also talked about hospitals turning away patients bc overcrowded and sending ambulances to other hospitals or clinics. It is from January 2018 and the flu outbreak.

"Medical centers are responding with extraordinary measures, asking staff to work overtime, setting up triage tents, restricting family friends visits, and cancelling elective surgeries, to name a few."

"Our hospital is managing, but just barely."

"We are pretty much at capacity, and the volume is certainly different."

"I've been in practice 30 years, and it's been 15 or 20 years since I've seen an illness scenario like this."

In Alabama, "a state of emergency was declared in response to the epidemic." "UAB hospital cancelled elective surgeries to make more beds available to patients."

"In California, which has been hit particularly hard, several hospitals have set up large surge tents outside their emergency departments to accommodate and treat patients. Even then, emergency departments have standing-room only, and patients are being treated in hallways."

The article went on to describe similar situations in Pennsylvania, Chicago, and Missouri.

Everyone knows what this is all about...
its embarrassing and ridiculous . It doesn’t take much common sense to see it..

Wether you support our President or not... the hate people have for this man is unlike anything I have ever seen... it’s so embarrassing it’s actually comical ...

So when someone says the ridiculous comment that those that didn’t wear masks at all times or kids and families that went to the beach is the reason why football season ( if we don’t have it ) wasn’t played laugh at them because they are part of those people ..

[Bothrops]

Everyone knows what this is all about...
its embarrassing and ridiculous . It doesn’t take much common sense to see it..

Wether you support our President or not... the hate people have for this man is unlike anything I have ever seen... it’s so embarrassing it’s actually comical ...

So when someone says the ridiculous comment that those that didn’t wear masks at all times or kids and families that went to the beach is the reason why football season ( if we don’t have it ) wasn’t played laugh at them because they are part of those people ..

Great post.

[DownwardDawg]

Your 2nd paragraph is spot on. I’ve never seen anything like it. People have lost their minds over their hate for him.

[Dawgfan77]

I'm 50 and haven't had ONE person I know die. I know of ONE person that had it. Key word HAD. They're fine. Get off the fear porn Liver. This is not the Black Death. People are not dropping like flies.

I was in a traffic jam on Hwy 49 this morning. Believe me, everybody's fine.

Im with you. I know people who had it and said it's sucks but Any sickness sucks. I highly doubt he knows anyone who has passed away let alone several. He is a fear porn junkie

[confucius say]

Everyone knows what this is all about...
its embarrassing and ridiculous . It doesn’t take much common sense to see it..

Wether you support our President or not... the hate people have for this man is unlike anything I have ever seen... it’s so embarrassing it’s actually comical ...

So when someone says the ridiculous comment that those that didn’t wear masks at all times or kids and families that went to the beach is the reason why football season ( if we don’t have it ) wasn’t played laugh at them because they are part of those people ..

Correct. And I don't like trump.

Hospitals being overrun is not a new phenomenon. That's why I posted the above. It's our response that has changed.

We destroyed our economy, which was at a near all time high, for a virus that kills less people than the flu for those under 50. Less people than car wrecks if you're under 40. It is mind boggling that the response was not to shelter those over 50 and let them work from home and everybody else go about life.

[Mobile Bay]

Correct. And I don't like trump.

Hospitals being overrun is not a new phenomenon. That's why I posted the above. It's our response that has changed.

We destroyed our economy, which was at a near all time high, for a virus that kills less people than the flu for those under 50. Less people than car wrecks if you're under 40. It is mind boggling that the response was not to shelter those over 50 and let them work from home and everybody else go about life.

Meanwhile people like me. I live alone and have been on work from home for months now. My productivity has collapsed. I get lower and lower each day from lack of interaction. I pretty much drink every day now. It's reached to point where I am getting help and am on medication.

Suicide rises with unemployment

Heroin deaths are at an all time high.

We may be killing more people with the response than the virus would have ever done.

[Maroonthirteen]

Have any players who have tested positive been symptomatic? Any hospitalized? Why on earth would we shut down a billions dollar industry because players who want to play contracted the virus and are asymptomatic?

Oh I agree with you're saying. However my point is based on the fact of how the gov and decision makers have reacted over the last 4 months. Also my point is the gov and decision makers won't care about the athletic budgets and tv money. They'll close things in the name of safety.

As for MY thoughts on this whole issue of shutting down everything..... Ari Gold said it perfectly. However I'm not a GoV official or decision maker for athletics.